Obama's legacy on healthcare

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Sorry - any way you slice it, it's intact.

In 2016, we had the GOP candidate talking about implementing a "new plan" for universal healthcare, and one that the government would pay for.

Yes, Obamacare as we know it will not last - and that's probably a very good thing, since it was a rushed & flawed piece of legislation. But without Obama, it certainly isn't likely that the Republican President-Elect would be talking about having a plan for universal healthcare, and making sure that it's ready to go as soon as Obamacare is repealed so people wouldn't lose coverage.
 
History lesson 101

Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. There also were two Democratic co-sponsors.


Among other features, the Chafee bill included:


  • An individual mandate;
  • Creation of purchasing pools;

  • Standardized benefits;
  • Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;

  • A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.


    "You would find a great deal of similarity to provisions in the Affordable Care Act," Sheila Burke, Dole’s chief of staff in 1993, told PunditFact via email. "The guys were way ahead of the times!!

    Reality and history .....
    Was if ever really 'Obamacare' ?


 
Thing1 said:
Only bravs could try to give credit to a liberal northeaster Republican who proposed something in the early '90's that went nowhere.
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The truth really pisses you off, huh.....

Yes, it went nowhere....not enough support for Democrats or Republicans...or Pres. Clinton at the time either....if they would have named the bill "Hillarycare" maybe he
would have gotten behind the bill....Actually, there were many, many healthcare bills introduced in the 90's that went nowhere....
The ideas posted above are considered the backbone of Obamacare....all Republican ideas....Obama's bill didn't get far at first either and was rewritten a few times....all it did was
become more cumbersome and convoluted to me and the Dem's refused to allow any input by the Republicans....
He had a majority in both houses I believe and still had to push it through on Christmas eve night....

Even MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, a key architect of the Affordable Care Act, admitted that it was passed by exploiting political ignorance. If voters had known that the law would work by forcing young and healthy people to provide massive new subsidies for the old and sick, he doubts that it could have gotten through Congress.

History is a wonderful thing.....especially when you consider (with an open mind) how past events had very big effects on the future decisions and events...
 
trump was all for universal healthcare back in 1998. And look at his response about abortion.

"...in October 1998, Trump ran through his then-current political positions with NBC's Stone Phillips:

Mr. TRUMP: I'd like to see major tax cuts.

PHILLIPS: Along the line, for what the Republicans are talking about —eight hundred billion or so? Would you go that far?

Mr. TRUMP: Along the lines of that number, yes, approximately at that number, and could even be more.

PHILLIPS: Health care?

Mr. TRUMP: [I'm] liberal on health care, we have to take care of people that are sick.

PHILLIPS: Universal health coverage?

Mr. TRUMP: I like universal, we have to take care, there's nothing else. What's the country all about if we're not going to take care of our sick?

PHILLIPS: Abortion?

Mr. TRUMP: I hate the concept of abortion. I hate anything about abortion, and yet, I'm totally for choice. I think you have no alternative.


http://imgur.com/gallery/NoeJcSU
 
Obama broke the glass ceiling, something no one else was able to do....

I don't think/hope that trumpf is going to try to put that back together again....

What we got w/ Obama care was not what most of us wanted anyway.... :dunno:
 
NOVA said:
The truth really pisses you off, huh.....

Yes, it went nowhere....not enough support for Democrats or Republicans...or Pres. Clinton at the time either....if they would have named the bill "Hillarycare" maybe he
would have gotten behind the bill....Actually, there were many, many healthcare bills introduced in the 90's that went nowhere....
The ideas posted above are considered the backbone of Obamacare....all Republican ideas....Obama's bill didn't get far at first either and was rewritten a few times....all it did was
become more cumbersome and convoluted to me and the Dem's refused to allow any input by the Republicans....
He had a majority in both houses I believe and still had to push it through on Christmas eve night....

Even MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, a key architect of the Affordable Care Act, admitted that it was passed by exploiting political ignorance. If voters had known that the law would work by forcing young and healthy people to provide massive new subsidies for the old and sick, he doubts that it could have gotten through Congress.

History is a wonderful thing.....especially when you consider (with an open mind) how past events had very big effects on the future decisions and events...
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That's how our NHS works! Everybody has to pay National Insurance contributions unless they are unemployed, a student or retired. Usually they are taken from your salary by your employer and then handed to the government. NI pays for the State Pension as well.
 
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Thing1 said:
Sorry - any way you slice it, it's intact.

In 2016, we had the GOP candidate talking about implementing a "new plan" for universal healthcare, and one that the government would pay for.

Yes, Obamacare as we know it will not last - and that's probably a very good thing, since it was a rushed & flawed piece of legislation. But without Obama, it certainly isn't likely that the Republican President-Elect would be talking about having a plan for universal healthcare, and making sure that it's ready to go as soon as Obamacare is repealed so people wouldn't lose coverage.
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Universal healthcare; another dumb moronic talking point for the left that is almost as idiotic as the ACA. You people lack solutions and instead, stupidly think that massive Government are still the answer when the historic evidence suggests anything BUT.
 
christiefan915 said:
trump was all for universal healthcare back in 1998. And look at his response about abortion.

"...in October 1998, Trump ran through his then-current political positions with NBC's Stone Phillips:

Mr. TRUMP: I'd like to see major tax cuts.

PHILLIPS: Along the line, for what the Republicans are talking about —eight hundred billion or so? Would you go that far?

Mr. TRUMP: Along the lines of that number, yes, approximately at that number, and could even be more.

PHILLIPS: Health care?

Mr. TRUMP: [I'm] liberal on health care, we have to take care of people that are sick.

PHILLIPS: Universal health coverage?

Mr. TRUMP: I like universal, we have to take care, there's nothing else. What's the country all about if we're not going to take care of our sick?

PHILLIPS: Abortion?

Mr. TRUMP: I hate the concept of abortion. I hate anything about abortion, and yet, I'm totally for choice. I think you have no alternative.

http://imgur.com/gallery/NoeJcSU
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Trump won you ignorant leftist hypocrite; get over it. Your liars lost and now you losers can pound sand while you sit on the sidelines crying like little girls. :rofl2:
 
Milagro said:
That's how our NHS works! Everybody has to pay National Insurance contributions unless they are unemployed, a student or retired. Usually they are taken from your salary by your employer and then handed to the government. NI pays for the State Pension as well.
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Yep; it's a great system where people die while waiting for major operations and only the wealthy can opt out bypassing the NHS. Yep, only in liberal loony land would Americans want such an abomination.
 
What the election means

Truth Detector said:
I know what you are trying to say; and it is silly nonsense. Again, I am amused by claims that Cuba or Venezuela are better off with Marxists in charge. Capitalism with all of its warts may not be pretty some times, but it beats the hell out of being a Prisoner in your own nation watching the political elites live like Royalty while everyone else suffers.
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You don't know what I am trying to say otherwise you wouldn't interpret my words in that manner.
Truth Detector said:
Yep; it's a great system where people die while waiting for major operations and only the wealthy can opt out bypassing the NHS. Yep, only in liberal loony land would Americans want such an abomination.
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The Washington based Commonwealth Fund voted it the best in the world.

British health-care provision praised by Washington-based Commonwealth Fund while US is described as the worst in the world

The National Health Service has been praised as the world's best health-care system by an international panel of experts who said it was superior to those found in countries which spend far more on health.

The study, entitled “Mirror, Mirror on the Wall,” also described US healthcare provision as the worst globally. Despite investing the most money in health, the US refuses care to many patients without health insurance and is also the worst at saving the lives of people who fall ill, it found.

The Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based foundation produced the report. The fund is respected around the world for its analysis of the performance of different countries' health systems. It examined 11 countries, including detailed data from patients, doctors and the World Health Organisation, the Guardian reported.

"The United Kingdom ranks first overall, scoring highest on quality, access and efficiency," the fund's researchers conclude in their 30-page report. Their findings amount to a huge endorsement of the health service, especially as it spends the second-lowest amount on healthcare among the 11 – just £2,008 per head, less than half the £5,017 in the US. Only New Zealand, with £1,876, spent less.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs...rlds-best-health-care-system-says-report.html


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Yep; it's a great system where people die while waiting for major operations and only the wealthy can opt out bypassing the NHS. Yep, only in liberal loony land would Americans want such an abomination.
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Actually that's not true many companies offer private healthcare as part of the employment package. I was in the T-Mobile Axa PPP scheme for many years.

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Thing1 said:
Sorry - any way you slice it, it's intact.

In 2016, we had the GOP candidate talking about implementing a "new plan" for universal healthcare, and one that the government would pay for.

Yes, Obamacare as we know it will not last - and that's probably a very good thing, since it was a rushed & flawed piece of legislation. But without Obama, it certainly isn't likely that the Republican President-Elect would be talking about having a plan for universal healthcare, and making sure that it's ready to go as soon as Obamacare is repealed so people wouldn't lose coverage.
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the fix will be relabeling it TRUMP care
 
Truth Detector said:
Universal healthcare; another dumb moronic talking point for the left that is almost as idiotic as the ACA. You people lack solutions and instead, stupidly think that massive Government are still the answer when the historic evidence suggests anything BUT.
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You people?

Do you mean Trump & the people who voted for him? Because he ran on universal healthcare...
 
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