Mormons have more principle than most evangelicals..

Bill

Malarkeyville

And even if Trump does take Utah, it will be with a fraction of the support a “generic” Republican would have been expected to receive.

The evangelical-Mormon disconnect may seem puzzling, given that both groups are culturally conservative and heavily Republican. Indeed, it may seem all the more puzzling given that Mormons are the most Republican religious group of all.

So why has Trumpism failed to catch fire among Mormons? Based on research I’ve done with John Green and Quin Monson for our book “Seeking the Promised Land: Mormons and American Politics,” there are three reasons why Mormons oppose Trump: the wall, the ban and the man.
The wall

The first explanation for Mormons’ lack of support for Trump is his rhetoric on immigration, including their resistance to his promise to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and their unease with Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric.

As we argue in “Seeking the Promised Land,” Mormons are far more sympathetic to immigrants than other politically conservative groups.

This is true for Mormons across the board, but especially among the roughly one-quarter of LDS church members who spend up to 24 months serving as full-time missionaries between the ages of 18 and 22. Young missionaries may go abroad or serve in the United States among an immigrant population. A positive view of immigrants is even more pronounced among the 15 percent of Mormons who learn to speak a language other than English during their missionary service.

This pro-immigration sentiment is reflected in and reinforced by the rhetoric and action of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints, which has consistently been a voice of moderation on immigration policy. To many Mormons, a humane policy toward both documented and undocumented immigrants – including keeping families intact – is a religious imperative.

Not to mention the fact that Latinos are an ever-increasing share of the global Mormon population. Here in the United States, the percentage of Mormons who are Latino is 7 percent and growing.
The ban

The second reason why many Mormons oppose Trump lies in his vitriolic language toward Muslims, as exemplified by his call for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

As we report in our book “American Grace,” Robert Putnam and I have found that Mormons have a high regard for Muslims, as they do for all other religious groups.
Joseph Smith.

Even more important is Mormons’ sensitivity to the dangers of animus directed toward a fellow religious minority. Mormon leaders underscored this point by releasing a statement in December 2015 that was a thinly veiled swipe at Trump’s anti-Muslim comments. They quoted Mormon founder Joseph Smith as saying that:

“for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample on the rights of the Roman Catholics, or of any denomination who may be too unpopular or weak to defend themselves. It is a love of liberty which inspires my soul – civil and religious liberty to the whole of the human race.”

In case one thinks that Muslims were somehow not included in this sentiment, in 1841 the city of Nauvoo, Illinois – the headquarters of Mormonism at the time – explicitly mentioned “Mohammedans” (that is, Muslims) in a statute guaranteeing “free toleration and equal privileges.”

Nor is this merely fusty language from the past. The principle of religious tolerance runs deep within Mormonism today, as many Mormons have personally experienced the ugliness of religious bigotry. Robert Putnam and I have found that Mormons are among the groups most likely to report hearing disparaging remarks about their religion, and are among the religious groups that are viewed most negatively by Americans of other faiths. This was underscored by the hostility directed toward Mitt Romney during his first run for the presidency in 2008.
The man

While the wall and the ban matter to Mormons, these two issues do not fully explain why Mormons and evangelicals have diverged in their opinions about Donald Trump. After all, many evangelicals are also sympathetic to immigrants and concerned with religious freedom. Perhaps even more than the wall and the ban is the man – Mormons’ strongly negative reaction to the revelations regarding Trump’s past behavior, especially his sexual misconduct.

A recent poll by the Public Religion Research Institute and Brookings has shown that 72 percent of evangelicals believe that an immoral person can nonetheless behave ethically when fulfilling public duties, a stunning increase from only 30 percent five years ago.

That same poll did not break out the results for Mormons, but there is every reason to think that they differ sharply on this point. For Mormons, the importance of personal rectitude is paramount – including, and perhaps even especially, for elected leaders.

Mormon scripture, for example, includes this statement, believed by Mormons to be the literal word of God,

“When the wicked rule, the people mourn. Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.”

This sentiment is regularly reinforced by Mormon leaders in modern times.

While back in the 1800s, Mormons’ now abandoned practice of polygamy gave them the reputation for moral licentiousness, today Mormons hold a strict view on sexual morality – 94 percent of Mormons with a high level of religious commitment morally disapprove of sex between unmarried adults. Thus, one can see why many Mormons would be wary of voting for a presidential candidate who has been heard bragging about his extramarital sexual activity, including his infamous boast of committing sexual assault.


Mormons’ unease with Donald Trump, however, does not mean that they have flocked to Hillary Clinton. They are, after all, a strongly Republican and deeply conservative group, and thus unlikely to vote for a Democrat. Instead, many Mormons have apparently decided to cast what is essentially a protest vote for third-party candidate Evan McMullin – who is both Mormon himself and a conventional conservative. McMullin will not win the presidency, or perhaps even the state of Utah, but in voting for him many Mormons will feel that they have avoided selecting from the lesser of two evils.
 
Irony; a morally bankrupt brain dead leftist promoting Momon morality. You Fascistas will stoop to any low to promote your caustic unelectable lying corrupt sociopath to the White House.
 
Trump's candidacy has been revealing on a lot levels.

It has really exposed the utter hypocrisy of the religious right political leaders.
 
Trump's candidacy has been revealing on a lot levels.

It has really exposed the utter hypocrisy of the religious right political leaders.


One is a repentant sinner, forgiven and moving along with his life.
All of us Christians know we've had pasts of disobedience to God. It's when we acknowledge that, repent, seek forgiveness and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as our only savior that we have a new life. We forgive others as we have been forgiven.

Unfortunately there are some who call themselves Christian who sit on high horses of self righteousness & pride forgetting that they themselves are also simply sinners saved by Grace.
This is why the Word says, "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7: 21-23

The other one is still entrenched in her sins, still conniving, lying, covering up, filled with corruption, greed and pride. The truth is not in her. She needs all the prayers of the believers for salvation before her time is up.
 
One is a repentant sinner, forgiven and moving along with his life.
All of us Christians know we've had pasts of disobedience to God. It's when we acknowledge that, repent, seek forgiveness and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as our only savior that we have a new life. We forgive others as we have been forgiven.

Unfortunately there are some who call themselves Christian who sit on high horses of self righteousness & pride forgetting that they themselves are also simply sinners saved by Grace.
This is why the Word says, "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7: 21-23

The other one is still entrenched in her sins, still conniving, lying, covering up, filled with corruption, greed and pride. The truth is not in her. She needs all the prayers of the believers for salvation before her time is up.

Trump is a repentant sinner?
 
I don't think Douchebag Donald is sorry for a single one of his sins, including the destruction of his first two marriages.
 
I don't think Douchebag Donald is sorry for a single one of his sins, including the destruction of his first two marriages.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
 
Trump has publicly stated that he has never asked for forgiveness. It's one reason why thousands of students at Liberty University countered their university president's endorsement of Trump.

and he now owns the republican party
 
I remember that he said that back in July. In early October things have changed. Not many (if any) of the press are asking him that question anymore. And, Trump is quietly beginning his walk with the Lord. He keeps some loving council around him like Dr. Ben Carson and maybe 1 or 2 others to pray with him and encourage him. It starts with a step, commitment with faith and perseverance grows at different rates with every Christian. And, we still screw up along the way, too. God alone sees the intentions of our heart.

I'm surprised more people didn't give up on me back when I first believed back some 35 years ago. I was a model, cocktail server at the Playboy Club, moved to New Orleans and was a bartender in the Quarter all the while saying I was a Christian. God took his time with me, steadily making me more and more uncomfortable in those surroundings. Why did he take his time? I have no idea. I'm thankful for his mercy and the mercy of fellow Christians around me. It took a couple years to finally say "enough". I had to make a full clean break from dragging my past sinful lifestyle into my new life with Christ. Everyone's timeline is different. But, his faithfulness is the same.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Pet. 3:9).
 
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I think the underwear does it. It's kind of like those little compression vests for dogs that help them calm down and feel secure. Magic underwear renders the wearer impervious to the effects of Trumps blathering while allowing God to still get in there. Truly amazing feat of engineering.
 
or you know christians feel persecuted by libs and thats why they are going with GOP.

Personally i felt that whole baking the cake thing scared a lot of people because the owners were made to pay something and there were like two bakeries nearby that the couple could have ordered from. Will liberals understand this point of view? Probably not but it is what it is.
 
I remember that he said that back in July. In early October things have changed. Not many (if any) of the press are asking him that question anymore. And, Trump is quietly beginning his walk with the Lord. He keeps some loving council around him like Dr. Ben Carson and maybe 1 or 2 others to pray with him and encourage him. It starts with a step, commitment with faith and perseverance grows at different rates with every Christian. And, we still screw up along the way, too. God alone sees the intentions of our heart.

I'm surprised more people didn't give up on me back when I first believed back some 35 years ago. I was a model, cocktail server at the Playboy Club, moved to New Orleans and was a bartender in the Quarter all the while saying I was a Christian. God took his time with me, steadily making me more and more uncomfortable in those surroundings. Why did he take his time? I have no idea. I'm thankful for his mercy and the mercy of fellow Christians around me. It took a couple years to finally say "enough". I had to make a full clean break from dragging my past sinful lifestyle into my new life with Christ. Everyone's timeline is different. But, is faithfulness is the same.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Pet. 3:9).

If you & others wanted a "real Christian" you had some to choose from, instead you chose this man that has NEVER ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS-EVER!!!!

Nothing shows he has ever repented nor changed in the least~thus why Mormons find him to be what he is, what he has always been.....
 
or you know christians feel persecuted by libs and thats why they are going with GOP.

Personally i felt that whole baking the cake thing scared a lot of people because the owners were made to pay something and there were like two bakeries nearby that the couple could have ordered from. Will liberals understand this point of view? Probably not but it is what it is.

Freedom of choice is a one-way street right now. Only far left libs business owners are allowed to choose how they run their privately owned business and who they want to service and receive money from.

The bakery has that freedom. And, an African American owned dry cleaners would have the right to refuse to take in a bundle of KKK robes to clean as far as I'm concerned.
 
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