Voter fraud.....

Thing1 said:
I mean, just look at that list - 1 vote here, 3 votes there, 6 votes someplace else.

Are you really serious w/ this stuff? Do you have ANY idea how ignorant it sounds?
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Why is it ignorant? Do you really think there isn't incentive for people to try to cheat at elections? Seriously? It would seem you are the one being naive.
 
Thing1 said:
That's impressive spin, even for you.

We're a nation of 300 million. They take extremely extensive measures to prevent voter fraud. To expect "zero" is to not understand the basic concepts of mathematics. Statistically speaking, it is zero.

You're just in a tizzy because you're 100% in the tank for Trump now.
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Why do you keep harping about a nation of 300 million....thats got nothing to do with anything.....whats your point ????
and what does this thread have to do with Trump...I didn't mention him....

In 2000 there were 105.5 million votes cast...about 51% of the voting age population....
In 2012 it was about 54%, 129 million
 
Teflon Don said:
Why is it ignorant? Do you really think there isn't incentive for people to try to cheat at elections? Seriously? It would seem you are the one being naive.
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Oh, hey! Now that you're Trump's #1 supporter, of course you're on board w/ this.

They have studied this extensively. Any fraud that takes place is basically meaningless.
 
Thing1 said:
I guess NOVA & Trump's plan would be to pour even more taxpayer money into voter monitoring, to ensure that we have ZERO fraud instead of statistically meaningless fraud.

Maybe we can pay for a chaperone for every single voter? Gotta be sure, after all...
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One start would be to have voter ID for only American citizens. Do you think it is a good idea for us to do all we can to not have illegals vote in our elections? I mean I am told there are 11 million of them. Don't you think there is an incentive for democrats to flood democrat cities with illegals and flood the vote thus disqualifying the votes of the remainder of the state?

11 million people isn't consequential is it?

what say you?
 
NOVA said:
Why do you keep harping about a nation of 300 million....thats got nothing to do with anything.....whats your point ????
and what does this thread have to do with Trump...I didn't mention him....

In 2000 there were 105.5 million votes cast...about 51% of the voting age population....
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Well, #'s are a big part of statistics, bravs. I get that you don't understand statistics - but that's what this all comes down to.
 
Teflon Don said:
One start would be to have voter ID for only American citizens. Do you think it is a good idea for us to do all we can to not have illegals vote in our elections? I mean I am told there are 11 million of them. Don't you think there is an incentive for democrats to flood democrat cities with illegals and flood the vote thus disqualifying the votes of the remainder of the state?

11 million people isn't consequential is it?

what say you?
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How many of those 11 million have voted? Please provide proof, immediately.
 
NOVA said:
1. Dead people voting in Colorado.

A CBS affiliate’s evidence of voter fraud in Colorado in September sparked an immediate investigation by Secretary of State Wayne Williams. A report in Denver exposed multiple incidents in recent years where dead Coloradans were still voting. A dead World War II veteran named John Grosso voted in a 2006 primary election, and a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Mrs. Sosa’s husband Miguel died in 2008, but a vote was cast in his name one year later.

2. Illegals found voting in Virginia; only discovered after they self-reported.

A study by the watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation found in just eight Virginia counties, 1,046 alien non-citizens successfully registered to vote. These aliens were only accidentally caught because when they renewed their driver’s license and self-reported, telling authorities they were a non-citizen. This study doesn’t even include the metropolises of Fairfax County and Arlington. Moreover, the FBI opened an investigation in the state after 20 dead people turned in applications to vote.

3. Some Pennsylvania citizens voting twice.

Last year, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state admitted data showed more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections, yet said she’s powerless to investigate or prosecute double voters.

Nearly 43,000 voters in Pennsylvania had potentially duplicate registrations in either Pennsylvania or other states, data researcher Voter Registration Data Crosscheck found.

4. Illegal voters uncovered in Philadelphia; half had previously voted.

At least 86 non-citizens have been registered voters in Philadelphia since 2013, and almost half of them have cast a ballot in a recent election, watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation noted this month. The number was only turned up after officials received specific requests from the voters themselves to remove their names from the rolls.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg,” Joseph Vanderhulst, the watchdog’s attorney, told LifeZette on Oct. 5. “Who knows how many are on and don’t ask to be taken off?”

5. Voter rigging triggers probe in Texas.

This week, allegations of voter fraud in Tarrant County, Texas, prompted a state investigation. The suit focuses on mail-in ballots, which allows for people to vote from their homes without any ID or verification of identity. There’s concern of so-called “vote-harvesting” were political operatives fill out and return other people’s ballots, without their consent.

6. Indiana voter fraud investigation grows to 56 counties.

According to a local NBC report, Indiana State Police are in the midst of a statewide investigation into possible voter registration fraud.

“Police believe there could be hundreds of fraudulent voter registration records with different combinations of made up names and addresses with people’s real information,” NBC 12 reported.

The police encourage victims of suspected voter fraud to report it to Indiana’s secretary of state.

7. Three under investigation in Oklahoma for voting twice in the presidential primary.

An investigation is underway into three Comanche County, Oklahoma, residents who voted twice in last week’s Presidential Preferential Primary, according to the local ABC 7 News station, KSWO.

“All three submitted absentee ballots before showing up to their polling place on March 1 and voted again in person,” the report said. “The Comanche County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the case and will interview all three of them before handing the case over to the district attorney.”

8. Election fraud in Kentucky.

A Franklin County grand jury has indicted a Pike County man in June on multiple felony counts of election fraud in connection with last month’s statewide primary.

Keith Justice, 50, has been charged with four counts of intimidating an election officer and one count of interfering with an election officer in Pike County.

9. Underage voters found voting in Wisconsin’s presidential primary.

Brown County election officials in April found six cases where underage voters cast a ballot in the state’s presidential primary. County Clerk Sandy Juno told a local reporter that six 17-year-old students registered and voted. Despite five of the students presenting a valid ID, poll workers never looked at the date of birth on them or on the registration forms they filled out, Ms. Juno told local news website wearegreenbay.com. In one case, the student used a report card as identification.

10. Voter registration cards sent to illegals in Pennsylvania.

In September, the secretary of state’s office in Pennsylvania mailed about 2.5 million voter registration postcards to people who are not registered voters, but are licensed drivers. Secretary of State Pedro Cortes admitted to the House of Representatives that seven people had reported that they received voter registration cards in error, self-reporting.

State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Butler County Republican who chairs the State Government Committee, said in September testimony that there’s several problem’s with the state’s voter registration system.

“There’s certainly the potential for hundreds, if not thousands, of foreigners here legally and illegally to be on our voter rolls, and a certain percentage who are casting ballots,” Mr. Metchalfe told LifeZette. “We’ve got a lot of integrity issues that need to be addressed.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...re-its-all-to/
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Any breakdown on these dubious and rare voter fraud cases you cite, Blabo?
How many were fraudulent Democratic votes and how many were fraudulent republican votes?
You can not make a statistical argument that these fraudulent votes had any effect on the outcomes of these elections unless you can provide an accurate breakdown of who they voted for.
So many assumptions...so little proof...
Poor Blabo
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, hey! Now that you're Trump's #1 supporter, of course you're on board w/ this.

They have studied this extensively. Any fraud that takes place is basically meaningless.
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Who has studied it? What have they studied? Provide links please. The contention from you lefties is that so few cases are prosecuted, therefore there isn't any voter fraud.

To use an analogy

There are 214 million drivers in the United States

https://www.statista.com/statistics/198029/total-number-of-us-licensed-drivers-by-state/

On average there are 41 million speeding tickets given in a year

Now let's assume that each driver in the United States drives 3 times a day (being very conservative), that gives us 642,000,000 opportunities to get a speeding ticket for each licensed driver

That gives us a pretty low rate of speeding tickets. Using these numbers, one could conclude that hardly anybody speeds in the United States, which we know is false.
 
Leonthecat said:
Any breakdown on these dubious and rare voter fraud cases you cite, Blabo?
How many were fraudulent Democratic votes and how many were fraudulent republican votes?
You can not make a statistical argument that these fraudulent votes had any effect on the outcomes of these elections unless you can provide an accurate breakdown of who they voted for.
So many assumptions...so little proof...
Poor Blabo
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Thats the problem....if you flatly refuse to admit it exists or make a reasonable attempt to look for it, we'll never be sure of it...
This isn't 1880 or 1930...its now, when its more important than ever.
 
NOVA said:
At least I got him to admit it 'exists'....thats progress
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That is true. I mean we even have a highly placed democrat operative who is married to a US Congresswoman and made over 300 trips to the White House and met with Obama over 40 times ADMIT on tape that they cheat at elections.
 
NOVA said:
Thats the problem....if you flatly refuse to admit it exists or make a reasonable attempt to look for it, we'll never be sure of it...
This isn't 1880 or 1930...its now, when its more important than ever.
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Is it?
31 cases of voter fraud would have more of an impact on elections in 1880 than they do now. Statistically you can not argue that fact.
Even then it would be statistically irrelevant unless they all occurred in one small town, and they all defrauded for one candidate.
Poor Blabo
 
NOVA said:
At least I got him to admit it 'exists'....thats progress
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No one denies it exists. No one.

There are other problems with election. Since YOU brought up 2000, the aggressive efforts to stem voter fraud in FL there actually took 12,000 legit voters off the rolls - in areas that likely would have changed the election. Why isn't that important to you? That is MANY more votes than all of your list combined.

The question is: does any of it back of Trump's assertion that the ENTIRE election is "rigged"? No - there is insignificant voter fraud, and there always has been. And you can throw billions more dollars at it, and it still won't eliminate every instance.

Read your list again. It's embarrassing. Again - 1 vote here, 6 votes there. You don't understand #'s.
 
Thing1 said:
No one denies it exists. No one.

There are other problems with election. Since YOU brought up 2000, the aggressive efforts to stem voter fraud in FL there actually took 12,000 legit voters off the rolls - in areas that likely would have changed the election. Why isn't that important to you? That is MANY more votes than all of your list combined.

The question is: does any of it back of Trump's assertion that the ENTIRE election is "rigged"? No - there is insignificant voter fraud, and there always has been. And you can throw billions more dollars at it, and it still won't eliminate every instance.

Read your list again. It's embarrassing. Again - 1 vote here, 6 votes there. You don't understand #'s.
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Those who had their right to vote taken away were targeted likely Democratic voters.
Blabo has no problem with that.
Poor Blabo.
 
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