Conservative outrage over Benghazi is the ULTIMATE hypocrisy

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Let's make this clear: it's tragic that 4 people died.

But...4 people died. They were in a hostile land, in unpredictable circumstances. Guess what? That kind of thing happens.

And the crazies who served as cheerleaders & enablers for the Iraq War are really "outraged" about that? Really? Anyone want to guess how many innocents died in that war? Anyone want to guess how many innocents died because of sheer incompetence by the Bush admin, much less the boneheaded decision to invade in the 1st place?

Spare me. This is a definite "beam me up, Scotty" moment.
 
And it could NOT have happened without Hillary and quite a few other Democratic support....

Why was Stevens denied adequate secrity....
Thursday, June 7, 2012
Ambassador Stevens made a personal plea for an increase in security. In a June 2012 email, he told a Department official that with national elections in July and August, the Mission “would feel much safer if we could keep two MSD teams with us through this period [to support] our staff and [personal detail] for me and the [Deputy Chief of Mission] and any VIP visitors.” The Department official replied that due to other commitments and limited resources, “unfortunately, MSD cannot support the request.”
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There were other emails and cables from Stevens, too. A House intelligence committee report dated Jan. 15, 2014, said the committee reviewed “thousands of intelligence reports and internal documents (including e-mails, cables, etc.) which were provided by the IC, the State Department, and DoD.” That report discusses an Aug. 16, 2012, cable sent by Stevens regarding the security situation in Libya.
Republican Rep. Tom Cole in an October 2012 press release refers to cables he said were sent by Stevens on June 25, 2012, and Aug. 8, 2012. Cole also refers to a cable that was approved by Stevens on the day of the attack, Sept. 11, 2012.
As Cole notes, the documents were obtained by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform — of which Gowdy is a member:
Cole, Oct. 29, 2012: Documents released by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform show growing concern on the part of Ambassador Stevens and his staff regarding the worsening security situation. In a cable from June 25 titled “Libya’s Fragile Security Deteriorates,” Ambassador Stevens wrote, “From April to June, Libya also witnesses an increase in attacks targeting international organizations and foreign interests.” Stevens goes on to list six of the multiple attacks that had already occurred, including an attack on a U.N. official in Benghazi, an IED explosion at the consulate compound, and a rocket-propelled grenade attack on the British ambassador’s convoy. Stevens stated that his contacts in the area informed him that “Islamic extremism appears to be on the rise in eastern Libya and that the Al-Qaeda flag has been spotted several times flying over government buildings and training facilities.”
Another cable from August 8 mentions “a series of violent incidents” and warns that the local security forces the Obama administration was to rely on to protect our diplomats “has not coalesced into a stabilizing force and provides little deterrence.” On the day of his murder, Stevens reiterated the warning, citing a commander with Benghazi’s Supreme Security Council who “expressed growing frustration with police and security forces (who were too weak to keep the country secure).”

http://tinyurl.com/q34vdee

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Thanks, bravs (one of the biggest Iraq War cheerleaders). You just perfectly illustrated my point.

Perfectly. I couldn't have asked for better.
 
How typical of you to attack the poster and ignore the points made in the post.....


“The number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing. Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing. The insufficient Special Mission security platform was at variance with the appropriate Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB) standards with respect to perimeter and interior security. Benghazi was also severely under-resourced with regard to certain needed security equipment, although DS funded and installed in 2012 a number of physical security upgrades.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...er-security-what-this-statistic-really-means/
 
NOVA said:
How typical of you to attack the poster and ignore the points made in the post.....


“The number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing. Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing. The insufficient Special Mission security platform was at variance with the appropriate Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB) standards with respect to perimeter and interior security. Benghazi was also severely under-resourced with regard to certain needed security equipment, although DS funded and installed in 2012 a number of physical security upgrades.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...er-security-what-this-statistic-really-means/
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The facts of what happened and why were clearly established by the Accountability Review Board:

  • Ambassador Chris Stevens was responsible for the decision to travel to Benghazi. In-country travel is solely at the discretion of the ambassador, and he did not need to seek Department of State approval.
  • He traveled to Benghazi knowing full well that his physical and personnel security concerns had not been adequately addressed by the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Despite the security concerns, he traveled nonetheless due to personnel rotation in Benghazi and to re-establish contacts in Benghazi.
  • He left Benghazi on November 17, 2011, and returned as ambassador to Libya on September 10, 2012. In that intervening time, and in the six months prior to September 11, there had been 20 security incidents. Despite a CIA presence in Benghazi, Stevens was unaware of the evolution of the militias that subsequently killed him and his colleagues.

http://www.newsweek.com/knowing-its-dangers-chris-stephens-still-chose-travel-benghazi-384750
 
Bravs - how come you have never posted about the disbanding of the Iraqi army? A disastrous decision that led to the deaths of hundreds of Americans (conservatively).

Since you're focused on incompetence, why hasn't that ever made it into your posts here?

I'm trying to be polite. I hope you don't see this as an "attack."
 
I think there are people, such as annata, who are consistently against screw-ups such as Iraq and Libya. On the whole, though, I'm inclined to agree that there is hypocracy.
 
christiefan915 said:
The facts of what happened and why were clearly established by the Accountability Review Board:

  • Ambassador Chris Stevens was responsible for the decision to travel to Benghazi. In-country travel is solely at the discretion of the ambassador, and he did not need to seek Department of State approval.
  • He traveled to Benghazi knowing full well that his physical and personnel security concerns had not been adequately addressed by the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Despite the security concerns, he traveled nonetheless due to personnel rotation in Benghazi and to re-establish contacts in Benghazi.
  • He left Benghazi on November 17, 2011, and returned as ambassador to Libya on September 10, 2012. In that intervening time, and in the six months prior to September 11, there had been 20 security incidents. Despite a CIA presence in Benghazi, Stevens was unaware of the evolution of the militias that subsequently killed him and his colleagues.

http://www.newsweek.com/knowing-its-dangers-chris-stephens-still-chose-travel-benghazi-384750
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So its all Ambassador Stevens fault.....yeah, Stevens was just going to Benghazi for kicks, probably had nothing to do with his job, huh.......
Next you'll be telling us he was going on a date that night.

Thanks for that insight Christie....
 
Thing1 said:
Bravs - how come you have never posted about the disbanding of the Iraqi army? A disastrous decision that led to the deaths of hundreds of Americans (conservatively).

Since you're focused on incompetence, why hasn't that ever made it into your posts here?

I'm trying to be polite. I hope you don't see this as an "attack."
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What happened to Benghazi, the topic of the op.....another typical MO of the left, when you get you ass kicked, change the subject.....
 
Thing1 said:
Bravs - how come you have never posted about the disbanding of the Iraqi army? A disastrous decision that led to the deaths of hundreds of Americans (conservatively).

Since you're focused on incompetence, why hasn't that ever made it into your posts here?

I'm trying to be polite. I hope you don't see this as an "attack."
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we would have been better of if saddam were still in charge there. He was also antagonistic towards iran.

Regarding Benghazi. I do believe we could have saved them but did not because it was not politically expedient to do so. It sucks but it happens. They were soldiers and he was an ambassador.

I mean somebody had to be the first on the beach in normandy and id imagine survival rates for the first troops were not great.

Im more concerned with Clinton showing she will do everything to circumvent FOIA and any accountability for her actions than the 4 deaths.
 
Thing1 said:
Let's make this clear: it's tragic that 4 people died.

But...4 people died. They were in a hostile land, in unpredictable circumstances. Guess what? That kind of thing happens.

And the crazies who served as cheerleaders & enablers for the Iraq War are really "outraged" about that? Really? Anyone want to guess how many innocents died in that war? Anyone want to guess how many innocents died because of sheer incompetence by the Bush admin, much less the boneheaded decision to invade in the 1st place?

Spare me. This is a definite "beam me up, Scotty" moment.
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Here, bravs. I want to help you.

Look at the bolded. THAT was the point of the OP - which you illustrated beautifully. Like I said: I couldn't have asked for better.

I hope that isn't too much of an "attack".
 
Thing1 said:
Let's make this clear: it's tragic that 4 people died.

But...4 people died. They were in a hostile land, in unpredictable circumstances. Guess what? That kind of thing happens.

And the crazies who served as cheerleaders & enablers for the Iraq War are really "outraged" about that? Really? Anyone want to guess how many innocents died in that war? Anyone want to guess how many innocents died because of sheer incompetence by the Bush admin, much less the boneheaded decision to invade in the 1st place?

Spare me. This is a definite "beam me up, Scotty" moment.
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You should tell Crooked ILLary to use that exact line in her next commercial. It is political gold. Why you aren't on her campaign staff is mind boggling.

We get it. It is ONLY four people to you. Noted
 
State dept shipped weapons to the "rebels".
I'm not sure who contracted with Ansar al-Sharia to "provide security"
 
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