Maybe Trump did us a favor: exposing how entrenched misogyny really is

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We kept telling each other — almost convincing ourselves — that it was subtle. Sure, there was bias against women, but it was “unconscious” bias, and awareness would make it go away. Yes, studies showed a glass ceiling, but that was because of the signals we were sending, and if we just dressed differently, or stood differently, or spoke differently at meetings, we could “lean” it all away. Then along came Donald Trump.

The backlash that followed Friday’s “Access Hollywood” outtake was fiercer than any of the many that have come before in this campaign. There were calls for Trump to step down, to replace himself with Pence, and some of those who had endorsed him (though, strikingly, hardly all) rescinded their support.

This raises the question of: Why now? Why is this the tipping point, rather than Trump’s offensive statements about Muslims, war heroes, the disabled? Why not his refusal to disavow blatant racists and anti-Semites? Why not his many other insulting remarks about women?

In part it’s because the conduct he is describing on an open mic is criminal — legally a sexual assault. That alone makes this different, but now add the fact that this latest comes after a particularly awful three weeks, what with his smearing of a beauty queen and the revelation of his tax forms. In part it’s because this is the culmination of 18 months, and something was bound to be the last straw. But mostly, I think, it’s because, for the first time, there simply is no excuse. Nearly all Trump’s previous controversies were ones for which he found an explanation, however tenuous his critics might have found it. The Khans attacked him first. There were actually a few crimes committed by immigrants. He was saving Machado’s job, and beauty queens are not supposed to gain weight.

In his not-quite-an-apology, Trump said that the incident happened more than 10 years ago. That would be a fair point if not for two things. First, he was nearly 60 years old, so it was hardly a youthful indiscretion; and all evidence — including his own words during this campaign — indicates that he still sees women as decorative sex objects. Second, and probably more important: Others out there have shown themselves to think like he does. Like a Greek parable, he has come to represent all the misogyny we as a country have stuck under our metaphorical rock.

In that way, perhaps, he has done us a favor, forcing us to confront all he has exposed. No, not all men talk or act like Donald Trump — in fact, the overwhelming number of men do not — nor do most men condone it. But some do — enough that we need to pay attention. The sexism (and racism and xenophobia) he and many of his supporters spout has been there all along, though we have desperately wanted to see it as something else. In his second non-apology last night, Trump called this “nothing more than a distraction” and asked that we all get back to the real issues at hand. It turns out that this is the real issue (or, certainly, one of many very real ones). Trump’s latest has meant we have to listen to him — really listen — and recognize all he represents and how entrenched is the sexism his comments have unearthed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/maybe-tr...-entrenched-misogyny-really-is-184040971.html
 
Can you name one good thing that Hillary Clinton has ever done whilst in office as SoS? If there was a decent Democrat candidate Trump wouldn't have a prayer. Compare her with our own Theresa May, they are like chalk and cheese.
 
Just because normal men like pussy don't mean they are misogynists......or are biased against women.
 
Trump when Melania was pregnant. What a prince.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump called his then-pregnant wife, Melania Trump, a “monster” during an appearance on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005. He also described his wife as a “blimp” during the interview, which apparently took place just months after Trump had made lewd comments about groping women and pursing a married woman. He had married Melania, his third wife, earlier that year.

“You know, they just blow up, right?” Trump said of his pregnant wife in December 2005, according to a report by SF Gate.

“Like a blimp — in the right places. In her case, the right places. I mean she really has become a monster — in all the right places,” Trump told Stern. “I mean monster in the most positive way. She has gotten very, very large — in all the right places.”

It is not clear if he made the pass at the married woman he discussed on the hot microphone while Melania Trump was pregnant as well. But it would not be unheard of for him.

Jill Harth, who accuses Trump of aggressively pushing himself on her despite her repeated rejections, told The New York Times that he pursued calendar models from her company while his second wife, Marla Maples, was pregnant with their daughter Tiffany.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-melania-trump_us_57f92a2ae4b0e655eab4cc5b?
 
Just because normal men like pussy don't mean they are misogynists......or are biased against women.

Liking pussy and wanting to grab it against the will of its owner are two different things!
 
Yes, men talk about sex and pussy. If that makes us misogynists then guilty as charged.

Do you not see the difference with how Trump talked about pussy v talking about liking it?

He described an attempt to cheat on pregnant Melania with a married woman.
 
Do you not see the difference with how Trump talked about pussy v talking about liking it?

He described an attempt to cheat on pregnant Melania with a married woman.

Read her subject line. The subject is bigger than Trump. Yes men talk about sex and say things that aren't appropriate when around the boys. It happens. You're a guy, maybe you've never said anything among friends you would want other to hear. (This isn't about Trump I'm talking just being a guy) but I wouldn't believe you if you said yes
 
Read her subject line. The subject is bigger than Trump. Yes men talk about sex and say things that aren't appropriate when around the boys. It happens. You're a guy, maybe you've never said anything among friends you would want other to hear. (This isn't about Trump I'm talking just being a guy) but I wouldn't believe you if you said yes

I absolutely have talked with guys about women using vulgar words. However, I have never said sexual assault was OK, Not in private not in public. Additionally I'm not running for president.

I have never discussed grabbing women's private parts with other men. If a man says that in front of me I would have called him on it.
 
Can you name one good thing that Hillary Clinton has ever done whilst in office as SoS? If there was a decent Democrat candidate Trump wouldn't have a prayer. Compare her with our own Theresa May, they are like chalk and cheese.

I've posted several times on what I believe were her accomplishments and it always ended up with cons telling me I was stupid, so I'm not interested in going there again.
 
Yes, men talk about sex and pussy. If that makes us misogynists then guilty as charged.
you are having a child, the reality of this will hit you like a brick. If you talk of sexually assaulting women, you are deplorable.
 
I absolutely have talked with guys about women using vulgar words. However, I have never said sexual assault was OK, Not in private not in public. Additionally I'm not running for president.

I have never discussed grabbing women's private parts with other men. If a man says that in front of me I would have called him on it.

Is English a difficult language for you and Rana? The point of the article is far beyond Trump. The point of the article is that you are a mysoginist for how you have spoken in the past. You think being a "liberal" man you are immune to being accused of this you are sorely mistaken
 
Do you talk about assaulting women by grabbing them in the crotch?

I listen to rap music. I rap the lyrics. There is some bad stuff. Yes I've said bad stuff in the context of friends. No I've never said things that bad in front of others nor would I. I hate Trump and hope this is his final straw, God willing.

As much as I hate Trump and all he stands for this partisan reprehension is very transparent.
 
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