Even Bill Clinton says obamacare is a "crazy system".

Althea said:
Sequestration took food off of the tables of the hungry/elderly/veterans.

We have to stick to the defense cuts that Republicans were more than happy to approve. If we stop wasting money on private contractors, and obsolete weaponry, the military will be fine.

Our bigger problem is cyber security, and monitoring the actions of our home grown terrorists.
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no. the cuts are excessive.
Granted there are boondoggles like the F-35,but it's just more expensive to build stealth/stand off weaponry.
But that's what's needed in modern warfare. Private contractors actually save lives,and VA coverage.

For all the money we spend on both civilian and military needs there is a lot of waste/abuse.
And I blame Congress for much of it -but I also blame POTUS for not engaging Congres is favorof his "pen and a phone"

Look for more of the same from Hillary
 
The quote that the Republicans and Trump supporters (they are ENTIRELY different things) have been using is cherry-picked and taken out of context to support their own agenda.

It's been three pages so far, and nobody has actually given the complete quote, so here it is:

The current system works fine if you’re eligible for Medicaid, if you’re a lower-income working person, if you’re already on Medicare, or if you get enough subsidies on a modest income that you can afford your health care.

But the people that are getting killed in this deal are small businesspeople and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies.

So you’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden, 25 million more people have health care and then the people that are out there busting it ― sometimes 60 hours a week ― wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It’s the craziest thing in the world.

Now the next thing is, we got to figure out now what to do on health care. Her opponent said, ‘Oh, just repeal it all. The market will take care of it.’ That didn’t work out very well for us, did it? We wound up with the most expensive system in the world and we insured the smallest percentage of people. On the other hand, the current system works fine if you’re eligible for Medicaid, if you’re a lower income working person, if you’re already on Medicare, or if you get enough subsidies on a modest income that you can afford your health care.

But the people that are getting killed in this deal are small businesspeople and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies. Why? Because they’re not organized, they don’t have any bargaining power with insurance companies, and they’re getting whacked. So you’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden, 25 million more people have health care and then the people that are out there busting it ― sometimes 60 hours a week ― wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It’s the craziest thing in the world so here’s the simplest thing ― you raise your hands, you think about it ― here’s the simplest thing: figure out an affordable rate and let people use that ― something that won’t undermine your quality of life, won’t interfere with your ability to make expenses, won’t interfere with your ability to save money for your kid’s college education. And let people buy in to Medicare or Medicaid.

Here’s why: you can let people buy in for just a little bit because unlike where you are now, if you were on the other side of this, if you were an insurer, you’d say, ‘Gosh, I only got 2,000 people in this little pool. Eighty percent of insurance costs every year come from 20 percent of the people. If I get unlucky in the pool, I’ll lose money.’ So they overcharge you just to make sure, and on good years, they just make a whopping profit from the people who are least able to pay it.

It doesn’t make any sense. The insurance model doesn’t work here; it’s not like life insurance, it’s not like casualties, it’s not like predicting flooding. It doesn’t work. So Hillary believes we should simply let people who are above the line for getting these subsidies have access to affordable entry into the Medicare and Medicaid programs. They’ll all be covered, it will not hurt the program, we will not lose a lot of money. And we ought to do it.

I think his health care bill has been a remarkable success for 25 million people, and for getting rid of pre-existing conditions, and the problems with it show why the president was right to recommend a public option in the first place because the only real problems I can see with it are small businesspeople and individual working people just above the subsidy line are having. Why is that? Because they’re small, they’re independent, they do have any market power vis a vis the insurance companies, and that’s why Hillary said, “The change we need is not to wreck this thing and repeal it. It’s done too much good. The change we need is to create an affordable option for the small business people and the working people who are not covered ― that’s what the public opinion is about.

Keep in mind, when the other side complains about that, if they just pay these people something they can afford, it will cover well over 90 percent of the costs of the expansion of Medicare or Medicaid or both. Why? Because there’s a huge pool. This is one place where his adjective works. This is really important ― there’s a ‘huge’ pool, and the economics of health care are as follows: in any given year, more than 80 percent of the costs are claimed by 20 percent of the people. It’s just a shifting 20 percent. That means if you have a small pool, it’s impossible to price right. It doesn’t work, it’s not like life or casualty or property or other insurance, which is why there should be a public opinion, and it will either be available to people, or the private insurance companies will figure out how to reorganize themselves and put people into huge pools to compete.
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So no, Bill Clinton didn't actually trash the Affordable Care Act.

Once more folks, there are two things that are very important:

1. Truth.

2. Doing your own research instead of listening to the talking heads and just believing whatever some idiot tells you to believe.
 
:lol: Doesn't get much better than this. The guy's wife is trying to replace Obama, and this is his signature legislative achievement. And he's trashing it. Too funny. Libtardism 101.
 
anatta said:
no. the cuts are excessive.
Granted there are boondoggles like the F-35,but it's just more expensive to build stealth/stand off weaponry.
But that's what's needed in modern warfare. Private contractors actually save lives,and VA coverage.

For all the money we spend on both civilian and military needs there is a lot of waste/abuse.
And I blame Congress for much of it -but I also blame POTUS for not engaging Congres is favorof his "pen and a phone"

Look for more of the same from Hillary
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Now isn't the time to say the cuts are 'excessive' . They are lower than they were originally supposed to be, but Obama backed down. If cuts to food stamps weren't excessive, then cuts to defense aren't excessive.
 
Althea said:
If you bothered to find the entire quote, instead of rushing here with a tabloid headline, you'd know that Clinton was laying the groundwork for a public option.
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Stelakh said:
The quote that the Republicans and Trump supporters (they are ENTIRELY different things) have been using is cherry-picked and taken out of context to support their own agenda.

It's been three pages so far, and nobody has actually given the complete quote, so here it is:



So no, Bill Clinton didn't actually trash the Affordable Care Act.

Once more folks, there are two things that are very important:

1. Truth.

2. Doing your own research instead of listening to the talking heads and just believing whatever some idiot tells you to believe.
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All true, but Clinton should know better than to offer up that horrible soundbite.
 
on the news this morning they said of the 24 insurance companies that originally signed up to be part of the program, 17 have now dropped out.....the reasons given are that the money the federal government set aside to cover their losses is gone and will not be replaced......how is it the Obama administration has never made public how much money taxpayers have had to pay into the system so far?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
on the news this morning they said of the 24 insurance companies that originally signed up to be part of the program, 17 have now dropped out.....the reasons given are that the money the federal government set aside to cover their losses is gone and will not be replaced......how is it the Obama administration has never made public how much money taxpayers have had to pay into the system so far?......
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No. The money is not gone. It was never appropriated. In his infinite wisdom, Obama signed an omnibus defense bill that had language in it cutting all funding for the risk corridor program.

12 non profit startups...including mine...went out of business.

So...the govt promised funding to any non profit company that wanted to join the exchanges. They would get 3 years of funding, at which time their premium collections should have amassed enough revenue to keep them afloat.


In essence, Obama killed his own signature law.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
Let me remind people that when obamacare passed in 2010, not a single repub voted for it. This catastrophe is 100% the fault of obozo.
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Wrong. 60% of the nation...including most Red states...worked aggressively to assure that the program would fail.

100% the fault of Republicans....even though Obama loaded the law with Republican pet priorities from the Clintoncare debates.
 
Althea said:
Now isn't the time to say the cuts are 'excessive' . They are lower than they were originally supposed to be, but Obama backed down. If cuts to food stamps weren't excessive, then cuts to defense aren't excessive.
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I know this probably doesn't matter to socialists like yourself, but the US Constitution duly authorizes the federal gobblement to spend money on national defense not food stamps. I know that is probably just a minor inconvenience to statists like yourself who doesn't really want to spend their own money but feels all gooey and self righteous inside when the proclaim the right to spend other peoples money.
 
Althea said:
Wrong. 60% of the nation...including most Red states...worked aggressively to assure that the program would fail.

100% the fault of Republicans....even though Obama loaded the law with Republican pet priorities from the Clintoncare debates.
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Talk about cognitive dissonance. I give you credit for having balls to try to pass off this lie. Kudos sir
 
Althea said:
Now isn't the time to say the cuts are 'excessive' . They are lower than they were originally supposed to be, but Obama backed down. If cuts to food stamps weren't excessive, then cuts to defense aren't excessive.
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I don't see anyone eligible for food stamps not getting them. Food stamp use has greatly increased under Obama.

While ending the war in Iraq saved money the new weapon systems are expensive. we're talking multi-billon dollar ships.
The new designs are hardening them,and creating stealth warcraft.
At the same time we are not providing enough parts, and training for personnel -this even after greatly downsizing the army.
 
Crooked ILLary said:
I know this probably doesn't matter to socialists like yourself, but the US Constitution duly authorizes the federal gobblement to spend money on national defense not food stamps. I know that is probably just a minor inconvenience to statists like yourself who doesn't really want to spend their own money but feels all gooey and self righteous inside when the proclaim the right to spend other peoples money.
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general welfare
 
Althea said:
No. The money is not gone. It was never appropriated. In his infinite wisdom, Obama signed an omnibus defense bill that had language in it cutting all funding for the risk corridor program.

12 non profit startups...including mine...went out of business.

So...the govt promised funding to any non profit company that wanted to join the exchanges. They would get 3 years of funding, at which time their premium collections should have amassed enough revenue to keep them afloat.


In essence, Obama killed his own signature law.
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you mean we narrowly avoided trillions of additional debt that would have been saddled on taxpayers?.......hallelujah....
 
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