The debate

Another really weird point was Donald's argument that we should have taken the oil out of the region so that ISIS would have had no funding sources.

This guy is dangerously stupid and has no clue about how anything works.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I watched the whole thing and the hour and a half actually went by pretty fast.

My impression is Hillary did better than Trump. Though Trump had his moments, especially early when he had Hillary pinned down on NAFTA and trade. That will almost certainly play well in the Rust Belt for Trump. Trump was the clear winner on jobs, in fact.

Which points to why scoring the debate is difficult: much of it depends on what's important to the veiwer/voter.

Trump got bogged down with birther gate when he could have diffused it. Hillary pretty much called the whole country racist with her 'implicit bias' or whatever the hell she called it. If race is the topic, instead of dredging up Obama's birth certificate, why not ask the contenders about BLM and whether they think the group is productive? You know, something current and relevant.

Trump got bogged down again, on the Iraq war vote, when he didn't vote for the war while Hillary did[!]. Yet, Trump allowed himself to be put on the defensive on the issue.

I thought the moderater's questions sucked, generally. In large part because of what was NOT asked. Hillary should have been grilled on a small flotilla of questions having to do with the emails; why her IT people were hiding behind the 5th amendment; WTF on smashing government Blackberries and the like.

Hillary will be declared the winner but it will be interesting to see if it affects Trump's momentum going forward.
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Birther question was a real low blow by Holt. Completely irrelevant to this election, yet he asked about 6 questions on it, while he was restrained most of the night. Pathetic liberal media media.
 
anatta said:
you are smarter then that?
it's the over-reach. why are we regulating Ozone as a health hazard?
and if we must do so -why are we trying to get into the 70 ppb where even dry cleaners in a neighborhood cannot meet the standards.

why is NATURAL GAS now a boogyman? I mean you can only do so much with solar panels.
we are hamstringing ourselves for no reasons, and instead of manufactures building here, they go there.
With no net difference on world 'pollutions'

I won't even start on WOTUS..
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Nat. gas isn't any more of a boogeyman than nuclear energy is. If you only want to focus on the low emissions of both, it sound's great.

But in both cases, the production of the energy is the problem.

Fracking is the problem, not the burning of the gas.

You don't want any restrictions on the disposal of the millions of gallons of poisonous fracking fluid?
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
Well, from my perspective she did not help herself. Donald might have hurt himself enough to make some of those voters shift.

Her demands for more surveillance were alarming. Her (and Donald's) attacks on the second amendment as a response to police brutality is nothing more than blaming the victims and I fail to see how it is any different than Trump's idiotic demands for more stop and frisk.

Her "me too" in favor of "protectionism" really does not bode well for our country.

But she did clearly "win" the debate. When Trump was not lying he was babbling incoherently. His answer on "cyber security" was nothing but bloviating and bluff. He clearly had no idea what he was talking about and though I am sure his ten year old son has a better grasp of those issues than he does, Donald's reference to his son there was weird and strangely funny.
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I have to agree. That point made me itch my head. Was he saying we should have secured the oil fields better, or saying we should have taken every last drop of oil out of iraq for ourselves? Something that is not even possible, but would have been morally reprehensible. It would have also gave Bush's critics everything they ever wanted.
 
Thing1 said:
Just sayin'. I wasn't personally offended, but it wasn't a good look for the Trumpster.

And if you think I'm over-sensitive about it, can't imagine what you must think of Trump - he spent the last quarter of the debate whining about Hillary's ads and how she was being "not so nice" to him.
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It was hilarious, poor little picked on Trump!
 
Thing1 said:
Your comments are lame this morning.

Just my opinion on the debate. And believe you me, I can tell from the comments of the righties what they thought of Trump's performance.

He blew it. As I've said many times, Kasich would be trouncing Hillary right now, and likely would have easily won the debate last night. How GOP voters chose Trump is incomprehensible.
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My own observation was that Trump scored some wins but overall I called it a win for Hillary. For whatever their opinions are worth lol, most paid pundits are calling it the same.

But some of the polls are different. They're calling it for Trump. Here's the liberal Slate calling it for Trump by a wide margin:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._debate_of_2016_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html

This reminds me of when the pundits and media said Trump lost in the primary debates but his numbers kept going up.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
My own observation was that Trump scored some wins but overall I called it a win for Hillary. For whatever their opinions are worth lol, most paid pundits are calling it the same.

But some of the polls are different. They're calling it for Trump. Here's the liberal Slate calling it for Trump by a wide margin:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._debate_of_2016_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html

This reminds me of when the pundits and media said Trump lost in the primary debates but his numbers kept going up.
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There are a handful of pundants and hundreds of millions of citizens. Ask yourself which matters.
 
Althea said:
Nat. gas isn't any more of a boogeyman than nuclear energy is. If you only want to focus on the low emissions of both, it sound's great.

But in both cases, the production of the energy is the problem.

Fracking is the problem, not the burning of the gas.

You don't want any restrictions on the disposal of the millions of gallons of poisonous fracking fluid?
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but the focus IS on emissions!
"Carbon is bad". And it's why Clinton can only talk about solar.


FYI >> http://breakingenergy.com/2011/08/25/natgas-does-not-have-to-mean-fracking/
 
Thing1 said:
Your comments are lame this morning.

Just my opinion on the debate. And believe you me, I can tell from the comments of the righties what they thought of Trump's performance.

He blew it. As I've said many times, Kasich would be trouncing Hillary right now, and likely would have easily won the debate last night. How GOP voters chose Trump is incomprehensible.
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I notice you have no opinion or comment on the fairness of the debate...so again.....

LESTER HOLT: THE THIRD DEBATER...
Asked Trump 6 follow-up questions, did not ask ANY of Clinton...
Interrupted Trump 41 times, Clinton 7...
'Fact-checking' becomes opinion journalism...
 
NOVA said:
I notice you have no opinion or comment on the fairness of the debate...so again.....

LESTER HOLT: THE THIRD DEBATER...
Asked Trump 6 follow-up questions, did not ask ANY of Clinton...
Interrupted Trump 41 times, Clinton 7...
'Fact-checking' becomes opinion journalism...
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Pretty easy, bravs. Clinton was much more direct in her answers. Trump evaded some of the questions completely - which is why Holt had to try to bring him back to the question.

And did you watch the debate? He HAD to interrupt Trump. Trump wouldn't stop interrupting & bloviating.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I watched the whole thing and the hour and a half actually went by pretty fast.

My impression is Hillary did better than Trump. Though Trump had his moments, especially early when he had Hillary pinned down on NAFTA and trade. That will almost certainly play well in the Rust Belt for Trump. Trump was the clear winner on jobs, in fact.

Which points to why scoring the debate is difficult: much of it depends on what's important to the veiwer/voter.

Trump got bogged down with birther gate when he could have diffused it. Hillary pretty much called the whole country racist with her 'implicit bias' or whatever the hell she called it. If race is the topic, instead of dredging up Obama's birth certificate, why not ask the contenders about BLM and whether they think the group is productive? You know, something current and relevant.

Trump got bogged down again, on the Iraq war vote, when he didn't vote for the war while Hillary did[!]. Yet, Trump allowed himself to be put on the defensive on the issue.

I thought the moderater's questions sucked, generally. In large part because of what was NOT asked. Hillary should have been grilled on a small flotilla of questions having to do with the emails; why her IT people were hiding behind the 5th amendment; WTF on smashing government Blackberries and the like.

Hillary will be declared the winner but it will be interesting to see if it affects Trump's momentum going forward.
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First, I don't see how Trump won on jobs when he never answered the question of how he would bring back jobs that were lost. His answer was that we shouldn't ship out jobs to other countries in the first place. Well duh. That says nothing about bringing them back after they're gone. Furthermore Trump has shipped out his own business to other countries and Hillary should have hit him on that. When's he going to make his shirt, ties, suits etc. in America?

Then you thought the questions sucked and Hillary should have been grilled on her issues, etc. How are those debate questions that Trump is supposed to respond to with facts, and what about his own scams like Trump U., his slush fund foundation, his shipping jobs overseas, his hiring of illegals etc.?

The debate is supposed to cover issues that affect the country as a whole and not be simply a mudslinging match between two candidates who hate each other.
 
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