Trump supporters and bigotry

whoever thought watermark would become even more retarded and have more free time to troll AFTER employment?
 
shade said:
whoever thought watermark would become even more retarded and have more free time to troll AFTER employment?
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Hahahahaha, is that what happened here?! Admittedly I'd probably be bitter at the world and lash out if I got my first job in my mid '20's and finally experienced what it was like.

Some girl probably expects him to pay on a date now as well...
 
cawacko said:
Hahahahaha, is that what happened here?! Admittedly I'd probably be bitter at the world and lash out if I got my first job in my mid '20's and finally experienced what it was like.

Some girl probably expects him to pay on a date now as well...
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It's probably more like he THOUGHT he had a job and didn't. :palm:
 
cawacko said:
If voters are fed up with faux conservatives then elect Ted Cruz don't elect a populist/Democrat.

There's a reason Trump says he won't touch Social Security and Medicaid and it's not because he's a real conservative.
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But it's a Catch-22. Cruz would be slaughtered by Hillary in the general.

Trump is the only horse in the barn, so you ride him or sit back and watch.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
But it's a Catch-22. Cruz would be slaughtered by Hillary in the general.

Trump is the only horse in the barn, so you ride him or sit back and watch.
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Trump's been getting his butt kicked all along as well and polls have shown him losing from day one.

So if beating Hillary was the goal there were plenty of candidates that could have done that starting with Rubio and Kasich. If sending a message to the establishment was the goal for not being conservative enough them Cruz was the guy. If ending the charade Republicans actually believe in limited gov't etc then Trump was the man.
 
cawacko said:
Trump's been getting his butt kicked all along as well and polls have shown him losing from day one.

So if beating Hillary was the goal there were plenty of candidates that could have done that starting with Rubio and Kasich. If sending a message to the establishment was the goal for not being conservative enough them Cruz was the guy. If ending the charade Republicans actually believe in limited gov't etc then Trump was the man.
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Trump was getting his butt kicked until recently. Hillary's campaign is on the ropes and it may or may not recover in time.

I get your point but there's a high level of distrust in the ranks. Remember how we elected all those supposed small government Tea Party congressmen who promised to undo Obamacare? Why should we trust a Rubio, a Jeb or etc?

There's definitely a bit of 'Trump is our middle finger' to the establishment going on.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Why are so many Trump supporters afraid to own the bigotry issue that threatening to split the GOP apart?

I'm not going to generalize that all Trump supporters are bigots but there is no arguing that a large percentage are and that Trump has used racism and xenophobia to mainstream bigotry into our current election cycle with a disturbing degree of success. The problem for Trump supporters who do not believe they are bigoted is one of guilt by association and cognitive dissonance with the core American value of pluralism.

A large percentage of the GOP are doing the right thing, which I think is courageous, by distancing themselves from the Trump movement and declaring by doing so that the Trump movement does not represent their values. I give high marks to Cawacko for taking such a stand.

To be fair Trump has championed issues that concern many working class Americans but he has done so in a highly irresponsible manner. He has used the racial resentments of white working class to divide and conquer a major political party while pronouncing a populist message he can't backup and probably wouldn't try too if elected while mainstreaming the fringe elements of the GOP who hold beliefs that are decidedly un-American.

What are those un-American values? Obviously they are racism, nativism, anti-pluralism and religious intolerance.

In the long run maybe Trump has done the GOP a favor. He has given the GOP an opportunity to do the right thing. For years the GOP has tolerated and exploited these resentments to build a winning coalition but now, under Trump those sentiments have gone from the fringe of the party to front and center. The GOP has made a catastrophic strategic blunder and have been co-opted by a fringe they thought they could control but would tolerate with a wink and a nod. Now that fringe controls the national party.

So now the GOP has the opportunity to take a courageous stand by doing what they have challenged mainstream Muslims to do. To stand up and denounce the extremist in their midst and to do something about them. To not do so places the heart and soul of their political movement at risk because the GOP cannot long exist as a divided party. As Lincoln observed they will become one thing or the other.

The GOP will either be the party that champions traditional American values of family, faith, community, entrepreneurship and personal liberty or they will become the party of bigotry, nativism, intolerance and anti-pluralism.

It will not be party leaders who make this choice nor the timid souls who stand by the sidelines and hope for favorable outcomes but by those who are willing to go out and publicly engage and struggle for their vision of our nation. So the time is now for those members in the GOP who wish to preserve the good they have accomplished to stand up and fight against the forces Trump has unleashed or face irrelevancy and being consigned to the dustbin of history.

If ever the GOP has needed people like Cawacko who understand the traditional American conservative movement to stand up and denounce the regressive and reactionary forces unleashed by Trump the time is now for the fate of the GOP is in your hands.
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The same old bigotry rhetoric?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So what do you intend to do about it? People like myself have gone a long way to bring Democrats back towards the center from the bad ole days when the Democrats were dominated by social welfare state liberals and advocating a strong military, internationalism and trade. Do you see your self staying within a Republican party that has rejected you and your values or building a new coalition within the Democrats that advocate your small government, pro-trade agenda?
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Stupid ass lefty .. tell me who the author of your OP is .. stupid ass lefty, who wrote it?

And don't present anything here written by someone else and pretend you wrote it. I don't need a link to the site where you got it, just give me the author.

You call me stupid because you hate what I have to say .. you dumb, knee jerk asshole lefty, you. I write all my stuff here and I don't copy and paste others writings. That doesn't make me stupid, it means that I possess creative intelligence which is something you don't have .. you knee jerk dumb ass leftist.

Is that your picture in your avatar? You are quite the dumb ass leftist jerk social networking here and impressing sooo many members.
 
cawacko said:
I said nothing about the constitutionality of it. I'm speaking to the horrible economics of it. Trump isn't stopping businesses from off shoring unless he wants to crush the econony
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Doesn't China have a free market economy despite their communist leaders? Doesn't South Korea? Doesn't Japan? Doesn't India?

Tell me why we're running such an enormous trade deficit with these countries if what you say is against free trade with Trump? How come you don't have a problem with these countries charging such high tariff rates on US imports but you concentrate on Trump's opposition to these unfair trade deals.
 
philly rabbit said:
Doesn't China have a free market economy despite their communist leaders? Doesn't South Korea? Doesn't Japan? Doesn't India?

Tell me why we're running such an enormous trade deficit with these countries if what you say is against free trade with Trump? How come you don't have a problem with these countries charging such high tariff rates on US imports but you concentrate on Trump's opposition to these unfair trade deals.
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China has the ultimate state run capitalism. It is not free market. And we're about to see where it leads them because China is going to run into massive problems here shortly.

Trump tries to sell the trade deficit as if it's a zero sum game and if yours (ours) is negative you're (we're) losing and that's just not the case. There is far far more nuance to it then that.

This isn't to say you can't or shouldn't go after countries who break trade laws but the idea that slapping tariffs to counter other countries is going to make things even is cutting your nose to spite your face.
 
cawacko said:
Tariffs and trade wars aren't free market.
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Good. The market should NOT be free. Up to now China, Mexico, et al have been free to screw us. Now with tariffs on imports from there, it won't be economical for them to operate there. They'll be forced to close down and move back to the US, creating millions of jobs FOR AMERICANS here in America, as it should be for US companies.

Up to now, these countries have been making trade war on us, and we haven't been fighting back. Now we will participate in their trade war, and eat their lunch. We have always been able to eat their lunch in trade war. We just have had weakling presidents who haven't engaged the enemy. Now with Trump as president, we will.

We could always have stopped these countries from abusing us. Bottom line is they need us (our huge market). We don't need them.
 
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