cawacko
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Where are these majority black suburbs that someone from Pittsburg let's say could move into and keep their culture?
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Where are these majority black suburbs that someone from Pittsburg let's say could move into and keep their culture?
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It is hardly exclusively black, how many working class kids that go to uni go back to their childhood homes to live?
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When the moving van pulls into the upscale community and the newly-rich white family shows up, nobody gives it a second thought. But when the newly-rich black family moves in they'll be viewed with suspicion and distrust by the racists already living there.
Because I don't think his point is accurate. Nothing improved when the new Greenwood was built. Read the whole article on this, here's a snippet.
"The division between white and black residents of Tulsa was so deep that the end of the riot did not begin to bring reconciliation. The widespread destruction of Greenwood was not sufficient for those whites who wanted to separate even further from blacks. A week after the riot, W. Tate Brady was appointed to the Tulsa Real Estate Exchange ("The Exchange"). The Tulsa Chamber of Commerce had created the group to estimate the value of property damaged or destroyed in Greenwood. The Exchange also contrived a scheme to relocate black Tulsans farther north and east of the original Greenwood.
In cooperation with the City Commission, the Exchange prepared new building codes for the original Greenwood that would make rebuilding prohibitively expensive for the original owners. The land could then be redeveloped as a commercial and industrial district – no longer residential. The plan was never implemented because the Oklahoma Supreme Court overruled the proposed ordinances as unconstitutional. B. C. Franklin, the lead attorney of the black community who challenged the ordinance, was the father of John Hope Franklin, who became a notable historian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
There are none that I know of. I think you and I are talking at cross-purposes.
For example, there's a very active Greek culture in Pittsburgh and they live everywhere, not in a Greek enclave. They keep their culture alive through other means than being in the same neighborhood.
cawacko
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That's really neither here nor there as to what's being discussed
It's been my point all along. That blacks should be free to move anywhere they want and take their culture with them. That you don't need to be segregated in a black neighborhood to keep your culture alive.
cawacko
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The author would have been fine with the seperation because that's what he wanted. A black community where blacks spend money on blacks, even if it was further out.
cawacko
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His point, as is many other blacks, is because they are relatively small in numbers they do lose their culture. That's why they are anti gentrification. That's why we have determination from some blacks to only spend money on black owned businesses in black neighborhoods.
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Mott the Hoople
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I don't. I'm saying his argument is flawed logic. I know there are other choices because I have seen them. Don't believe me? Go to Atlanta or Miami or Blytheville, AR or Warner Robbins, GA. You will see prosperous black communities that have integrated with the at large culture while retaining their own unique culture.
That's the flaw in the authors argument. It's not an either/or situation. "His" experience is anecdotal evidence.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I would say that in the urban metropolitan regions of the North East and Great Lakes regions that is largely true though not exclusively so. I can't speak for the west coast. I haven't traveled enough there to have an opinion.
In the South East it is certainly wrong. Every major city I've been to in the south east has middle, upper middle and upper class black neighborhoods or enclaves. You'll usually find them right next to their white counterparts.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Pretty much every major city in the South East but it's not just that. You have a thousands of small towns and villages in the south where you have distinct black communities within those small towns and villages who span the socio-economic gamit who live among the whites but are not assimilated into white upper middle class suburban stereotype.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Absolutely true. I left my small town after college and went to the city cause that's where the money and opportunity was.
Mott the Hoople
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Blacks do the same thing in small towns, villages and small cities throughout the south. Probably the majority of small towns in the Southeast have middle and working class neighborhoods were the blacks and whites live together as neighbors but yet preserve their unique cultural, civic and spiritual communities. You often see a black person rise to a higher socio-economic class but maintains their connection to their black culture cause they don't have to drive 45 minutes back to their old neighborhood like you do in Chicago.
That's the point I'm trying to make about the South being different because the black population is not as urbanized as it is in the North. Also, and I don't know their names, but you do have gentrified urban black communities in most of the major cities in the south. They for certain exist in Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Miami and Charlotte. I know that cause I've been to them.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
You mean white gentrification.
cawacko
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The author was speaking about suburbs though.
Not to get off subject but I've mentioned my brother in law is black (well mixed like Obama) and he and my sister live in an upper middle class Silicon Valley suburb (no three bedroom homes under $1.5, crazy). My sister tells me her kids schools are very diverse and they are. Large Asian and Indian populations at the school. But from an historical perspective in the U.S. it's not diverse as there are very few black and Hispanic students.
So we talk about black kids moving to rich white suburbs but there are more and more, at least where I live, rich Asian suburbs as well.
cawacko
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Generally but not necessarily. They don't say Asian gentrification is ok but white isn't.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
It exist. Go to Atlanta you will see plenty of black gentrification. Go to Miami you'll see plenty of Latino gentrification
Or go to Los Angeles and you'll see Asian gentrification. So it does exist in the US.
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Everybody's experiences are anecdotal, those places are the exception not the rule.
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cawacko
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Definitely. When we talk "race in America" it basically means white and black but Hispanics have surpassed blacks in the population and Asians are the largest growing immigrant population.
"The times they are a changin..."