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Christie, I was curious your thoughts here. Do you think it's racist or misguided to want to keep black communities together rather than spreading them out?



The Urban In Suburban: Why Blacks Fleeing Black Communities Must Cease



Recently, there was a Facebook post by Brian Crooks, a 31-year-old Black man, recounting the racism and challenges he faced as a Black boy coming of age in a predominantly White Chicago suburb. That post has since gone viral. An abridge version of the post was published by the Chicago Tribune, entitled “What it’s like to be black in Naperville, America.” It’s a lengthy article, but there is much to gain from this genuine and heartfelt narrative.


I was raised polar opposite, living in an all-Black public housing project on Chicago’s south side. But my unique ability to run a football earned me a scholarship to Northwestern University. Attending Northwestern was life changing. Though only a forty-five-minute drive north from the south side to Evanston, Illinois, it was indeed a new world.


I knew the transition from the streets of the Richard Flower Homes to the halls of Northwestern would be a struggle. I expected most of the student body to be spoiled rich kids, who I had little in common with, but I always took comfort in the fact that I would have my fellow Black teammates. I figured most of them were like me and passed through admissions by the skin of their teeth. Their athletic ability afforded them this opportunity; otherwise, their family couldn’t cover a fraction of the steep tuition.


In reality, I was surrounded by privileged kids of all races. Most of my teammates came from the upper-middle class. These were the sons of top bank executives, surgeons, former professional athletes, sports agents, and TV broadcasters.


Something I discovered early from our conversations is that the majority of my Black teammates had White girlfriends and most of the ones who were single preferred to only date White girls. I found that bizarre, especially sinse I had never even kissed a White girl before. “Do these guys want to be White?”, I thought. But it didn’t take long to figure out that they weren’t trying to be anything other than themselves.

When a Black boy grows up in a predominantly White middle-class neighborhood, he will culturally identify with the White race more than his own. Not because he is an Uncle Tom or White boy with a tan, he’s simply a product of his environment. His love for White girls is no different than my love for around the way girls — with at least two pair of bamboo earrings.


I remember one of my Black teammates showing me a photo album from his senior prom. There must’ve been over fifty photos. As I flipped through, I never saw another Black person besides him. From his date, to all the other couples, he was the only one. But that didn’t seem to bother him. In every photo, he smiled full of glee and gave thumps up with his Caucasian comrades.


As a child, you don’t get to make decisions about where you live or attend school. As minority parents, we are tasked with the duty to provide the most balanced experience for our children — not the most white balanced. If you’re an affluent Black couple, is it necessary to move into a ritzy White neighborhood and send your children to the best school money can buy? Does diversity factor into the equation or is it an afterthought? My heart breaks for a young Brian Crooks (and my college teammates who were forced into similar circumstances). The same way it shatters for Lawrence Otis Graham’s sons, who are being taught how to navigate the landscape of an environment in which they are tolerated not accepted.


Lawrence was under the delusion that his elite status would insulate his boys from racial discrimination. He believed by teaching them to act and dress less urban, it would protect them from being profiled by the neighborhood police. Unfortunately, there is no degree of conformity that will insulate you from racial profiling. You can change the pitch of your voice. You can alter the way you dress. You can pack your lunchbox with smoked salmon instead of fried Bologna. You can extract all remnant of Black culture from your existence. But you can’t change the color of your skin — nor should you desire too.


We hear much about “White flight,” but its Black flight, the move of successful Black city-dwellers to the suburbs to escape dangerous Black neighborhoods, that has decimated the Black community. White suburbs are as much of a status symbol as they are a safe haven. Like most of my friends, I was conditioned to believe that success meant making it out of the projects — out of my neighborhood. Everyone’s goal is to get out. By virtue, those who are left behind are viewed as underachievers. Those who are successful in their quest often never look back. What is left is a Black community devoid of people with the education and financial capital to uplift it.


We must stop living in fear of each other, retreating to predominately White suburbs for safety. We all say we want “better” for our kids, but subjecting them to an environment where no one looks like them hardly constitutes better. I want the most enriching experience for my children as possible. This goes far beyond school ratings and median incomes. There is a sociocultural component that is equally as important, one that no leafy gated community in White suburbia can cultivate.


I recognize that fear is not always the motive. Black folks choose to live in predominately White suburbs for the same reason Black students flock to Private White Institutions (PWIs), in lieu of struggling Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), they’re where most of the resources are held hostage. As a father of three, I understand. However, I also realize that this Black-flight model will never fix the fiscal problem in Black America.


What if successful Black folks decided to stay put and build up their own communities? Where would the resources be? What if the thousands of exploited collegiate football and basketball players, who are predominately Black, decided to take their talents to HBCUs instead of PWIs? Where would the multi-million dollar network contracts reside? We have more power than we think, if we can only unify.


In the early 1900s, a small neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma named Greenwood became famous for its thriving Black-owned businesses. Greenwood built a financial blueprint that would later earn it the nickname “Black Wall Street.” Due to segregation laws, Blacks were not permitted to patronize any White establishments. This forced Blacks to create their own clothing stores, restaurants, schools, newspapers and hotels. Greenwood enjoyed unprecedented success until the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. Hundreds were massacred and much of the Greenwood neighborhood was destroyed by fires. However, contrary to popular belief, fire didn’t ruin Black Wall Street, desegregation did. Despite the deliberate acts of hate committed against them, Greenwood citizens rebuilt the community, but when Blacks were allowed to take their money and spend it elsewhere, they did. Black dollars have been cycling outside of the Black community ever since. That money must find its way back home.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/torri-stuckey/the-urban-in-suburban-why_b_11473812.html
 
I'll bump this once. I don't mean this as a gotcha but thought it an interesting discussion.
 
The article only talks about black communities being ghettos. The projects. Bad schools. Dangerous black communities. IOW poverty and fewer resources.

It sounds like the author's saying blacks should just stay there and try to fix it. What about white people leaving their poor neighborhoods? Should they stay and fix things too?
 
The article only talks about black communities being ghettos. The projects. Bad schools. Dangerous black communities. IOW poverty and fewer resources.

It sounds like the author's saying blacks should just stay there and try to fix it. What about white people leaving their poor neighborhoods? Should they stay and fix things too?

I think people should live where they want to live. But based on numbers and background the black experience in America is different so I don't think that's an apt analogy
 
Another argument is because blacks make up only 12% of the population they need to live together to gain more voting power. That's was a big part of the VRA
 
What have you got Leon. If you're the racism watchdog is this gentleman racist wanting to build up black communities and not have people move out among other races?
 
What have you got Leon. If you're the racism watchdog is this gentleman racist wanting to build up black communities and not have people move out among other races?

That nice Greenwood neighborhood came into being because "Blacks were not permitted to patronize any White establishments." Their life was harder because they didn't originally have access to the goods and services whites take for granted. Kudos to them for creating a safe place for themselves that ended up getting destroyed by white bigots. Even when they accepted the segregation and worked to accommodate themselves, racists still couldn't leave them alone.

"On May 31 and June 1, 1921, hundreds of whites led a racially motivated attack on the black community of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma, killing some 300 people, mostly blacks. The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, then the wealthiest black community in the nation. More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and more than 6,000 black residents were arrested and detained, some for as many as eight days.[SUP][2][/SUP] The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics was 39."
 
That nice Greenwood neighborhood came into being because "Blacks were not permitted to patronize any White establishments." Their life was harder because they didn't originally have access to the goods and services whites take for granted. Kudos to them for creating a safe place for themselves that ended up getting destroyed by white bigots. Even when they accepted the segregation and worked to accommodate themselves, racists still couldn't leave them alone.

"On May 31 and June 1, 1921, hundreds of whites led a racially motivated attack on the black community of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma, killing some 300 people, mostly blacks. The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, then the wealthiest black community in the nation. More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and more than 6,000 black residents were arrested and detained, some for as many as eight days.[SUP][2][/SUP] The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics was 39."

I remember learning about that story in high school. Very sad and tragic. But what would it's meaning be today for what this gentleman is arguing for?
 
I remember learning about that story in high school. Very sad and tragic. But what would it's meaning be today for what this gentleman is arguing for?

I don't understand his point. Maybe the Greenwood people felt that if a riot happened once it could happen again, so there was no point in investing only to lose it all if the racists came calling a second time.

Look how it took Tulsa 75 years before they wrote an accurate record of events.
 
I don't understand his point. Maybe the Greenwood people felt that if a riot happened once it could happen again, so there was no point in investing only to lose it all if the racists came calling a second time.

Look how it took Tulsa 75 years before they wrote an accurate record of events.

I think his point in referencing Tulsa was saying it was a thriving well to do economically black community and its his desire to create more of those. He said desegregation caused blacks to leave the area and thus Tulsa couldn't be rebuilt as before i.e. a strong black community with black spending money on other blacks (businesses).
 
What have you got Leon. If you're the racism watchdog is this gentleman racist wanting to build up black communities and not have people move out among other races?
Don't expect Twatsky to say anything sensible, he is just an arsehole.

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I think people should live where they want to live. But based on numbers and background the black experience in America is different so I don't think that's an apt analogy
Maybe in the Northern States. Not as much in Southern States where you do see blacks assimilating in the broader white community while maintaining a close relationship to their local black community. That's likely due to the greater degree of integration you see in Southern States.

In the Midwest, for example, you find most small towns and villages are overwhelmingly white and blacks are confined largely to large economically depressed urban areas. The Northern States being significantly more segregated.

It is why in recent years we've seen a reverse migration of urban northern blacks to a more integrated, often small town or rural, south.
 
I think his point in referencing Tulsa was saying it was a thriving well to do economically black community and its his desire to create more of those. He said desegregation caused blacks to leave the area and thus Tulsa couldn't be rebuilt as before i.e. a strong black community with black spending money on other blacks (businesses).
I reject the authors argument as a false dichotomy. Stay in economically depressed urban community and be culturally black or leave and become white culturally. That black culture, prosperity and independence is predicated upon self imposed segregation. It's an utterly false choice.

The problem with his argument is that there are other choices and other black communities and maybe the author needs to get out of Chicago and do some traveling.
 
I reject the authors argument as a false dichotomy. Stay in economically depressed urban community and be culturally black or leave and become white culturally. That black culture, prosperity and independence is predicated upon self imposed segregation. It's an utterly false choice.

The problem with his argument is that there are other choices and other black communities and maybe the author needs to get out of Chicago and do some traveling.

Why do you presume to know more than a black man about his own experiences?
 
Maybe in the Northern States. Not as much in Southern States where you do see blacks assimilating in the broader white community while maintaining a close relationship to their local black community. That's likely due to the greater degree of integration you see in Southern States.

In the Midwest, for example, you find most small towns and villages are overwhelmingly white and blacks are confined largely to large economically depressed urban areas. The Northern States being significantly more segregated.

It is why in recent years we've seen a reverse migration of urban northern blacks to a more integrated, often small town or rural, south.

I agree with you Nothern cities are more segregated than southern cities. But throughout the country as a whole if you are a poor white person and you start to make money it is highly likely they'll be a well to do suburb that you can move into nearby that is a majority white. That is not the same for black people and that's why I don't think Christi's analogy is apt.
 
I reject the authors argument as a false dichotomy. Stay in economically depressed urban community and be culturally black or leave and become white culturally. That black culture, prosperity and independence is predicated upon self imposed segregation. It's an utterly false choice.

The problem with his argument is that there are other choices and other black communities and maybe the author needs to get out of Chicago and do some traveling.

How many upper middle class majority black suburbs are there in the country? LaDera Heights, Shaker Heights and Prince George?
 
I think his point in referencing Tulsa was saying it was a thriving well to do economically black community and its his desire to create more of those. He said desegregation caused blacks to leave the area and thus Tulsa couldn't be rebuilt as before i.e. a strong black community with black spending money on other blacks (businesses).

If I were black I'd be very leery of putting all my money and resources into a second Greenwood after what happened to the first one.

TBT I didn't know any of this before your post but reading about the death, destruction and horror, not to mention the state-sanctioned cover-ups, it's a miracle every black in the state didn't rise up against Tulsa and do to the white man what was done to them.
 
I reject the authors argument as a false dichotomy. Stay in economically depressed urban community and be culturally black or leave and become white culturally. That black culture, prosperity and independence is predicated upon self imposed segregation. It's an utterly false choice.

The problem with his argument is that there are other choices and other black communities and maybe the author needs to get out of Chicago and do some traveling.

Good point, I didn't think of the false dichotomy angle.
 
If I were black I'd be very leery of putting all my money and resources into a second Greenwood after what happened to the first one.

TBT I didn't know any of this before your post but reading about the death, destruction and horror, not to mention the state-sanctioned cover-ups, it's a miracle every black in the state didn't rise up against Tulsa and do to the white man what was done to them.

That was 100 years ago. We live in a very different world today. I think you are completely missing his point in referencing Tulsa.
 
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