Why conservatism (may) have failed.

[leaningright]

I will admit, that while it's easy to beat-up on urban schools, the truth is that no philosophy will fix education right now. The problem is the atrociously inept level of parenting we see in America today. This includes the suburbs, as well as rural and urban areas. The complete lack of discipline and respect we instill at home, and in the community, means we are sending fewer students and more problems to school. Since urban and rural families tend to be more broken, the suburban schools will skate by as "better" statistically.

3D, every once in a while you knock one out of the park. As an educator in a very rural setting I couldn't agree with your statement more. This is exactly what I see in my profession. And as a result, it is increasingly difficult to do the job of a teacher. That, combined with low pay in several states has prompted many to leave the education profession and has dissuaded many from ever entering. This has caused a shortage of professionally trained teachers in classrooms which in turn has short changed students. It is a viscous, never ending cycle.

 

[Irish]

Conservatism is failing because conservatives want to deny we live in a society of people and we need to have a strong educational system and a basic safety net. That's why I consider myself a progressive. We aren't going back to one room school houses and the destitution of Hoovervilles, we're just not. If Republicans would embrace the future instead of fighting it, then things like their support of gun rights, the military and immigration control could start to be worth considering. But now, they are a non-starter and they are going to continue to lose most Presidential elections

You're kidding me. You think our failed govt schools, and the failed welfare state are the wave of the future and progress? Are you high?

 

[Zake]

You're kidding me. You think our failed govt schools, and the failed welfare state are the wave of the future and progress? Are you high?

Since that isn't what I ever said, apparently you are

 

[Irish]

Since that isn't what I ever said, apparently you are

You said education and entitlements were the future.

 

[Zake]

You said education and entitlements were the future.

I don't think you understand what your sentence means. Maybe you could show me a quote of something I actually said so I can figure out what you are talking about

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I agree with this 100%. Before I grew up and got out of dad's house where all I could watch was the nightly news (usually ABC) I gathered that the republicans were just political trouble makers and all they did was support the rich people.

Liberals are the children of Conservatives and hate their fathers. It's all selfish and personal.

 

[Bill]

Liberals are the children of Conservatives and hate their fathers. It's all selfish and personal.

Could the same gibberish be said about cons hating their lib parents??

From what I read most cons had stern parents so, no, they couldn't of been libs......

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Our Preppy Republic

Could the same gibberish be said about cons hating their lib parents??

From what I read most cons had stern parents so, no, they couldn't of been libs......

They're all enabled by their parents. Spoiled sheltered snobs took over the Democratic Party starting in the 1960s. That class has no right to exist. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. As it has been for over 50 years, they get in our way and must be removed.

 

[Bill]

They're all enabled by their parents. Spoiled sheltered snobs took over the Democratic Party starting in the 1960s. That class has no right to exist. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. As it has been for over 50 years, they get in our way and must be removed.

So it was just democrats??

 

[Airstrip One]

They're all enabled by their parents. Spoiled sheltered snobs took over the Democratic Party starting in the 1960s. That class has no right to exist. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. As it has been for over 50 years, they get in our way and must be removed.

So, Democrats were all-right people prior to the 60s?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Break Away From What You've Been Told From Above

So it was just democrats??

If you want to think I said that, you're too closed-minded for me to change your partisan thinking.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

When Economic Elitists Talk About Trickledown, They Call It "Gold Water"

So, Democrats were all-right people prior to the 60s?

Those were the last populist Democrats. By the way, Ronald Reagan was one of them. So was Nobel Prize winner John Steinbeck.

Princess Hillary, from a class that has no right to exist, gave up on her crowd's electoral chances after Goldwater lost in a landslide, so she transferred her movement for Birth-Class supremacy over to the Democratic Party. The Preppy Progressives proved their loyalty to their Daddies' class by that infiltration. They purposely poisoned Liberalism with a New Age agenda that would trick people to vote Republican in reaction to it. They don't believe in a damn thing they preach and forcibly legislate on a formerly free people.

 

[Althea]

Conservatism? You mean paying lip service to the frothing masses? Social conservatives get caught in airport bathrooms, or hiring 'massage' boys.

Fiscal conservatives blow budgets out of the water, and then return to rhetoric about cutting spending when Democrats are hired to clean up the mess.


Conservatism has been dead for decades.

 

[Bill]

If you want to think I said that, you're too closed-minded for me to change your partisan thinking.

You only mentioned democrats & I'm closed minded....lol

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yes, I can see how leftists want a strong educational system by the way they run it now.

That's a crock. Our educational system is like our government. It sucks except for all others. When you tie in our Publicly funded State University system the US leaves every other nation in our dust with maybe the exception of the UK.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

i like trumps plan. If you suddenly tie the ability of the schools to get paid with their graduate getting employed you just have to sit and watch education get better

You mean like Trump University did?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Some schools need to be shut down or repositioned. It happens. And continually pouring money into a failing venture isn't an improvement

A lot of schools get tagged as crappy schools when what they really have is crappy students with apathetic parents and lousy local support yet the schools and educators get blamed.

Charter schools and vouchers have largely proven what their critics predicted they would. Subsidize prosperous families children's private education on the tax payers dime and drain public resources to charter schools that have largely underperformed both academically and financially if not outright failed. We have spent lavishly on charter schools in Ohio with the results that the vast majority have failed and drained public resources.

If you want to effectively address improving public education there are two issues that need to be addressed.

#1. Finance. The tried and tested method of local property taxes is largely responsible for the inequality we see in public education. So how do we find an equitable manner to finance public education? A whole lot of really smart people have been trying to answer that one.

#2. Parental engagement. What do we do in poorer and disadvantaged communities in which parents are not engaged in their children's education? The old adage you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink comes to mind. The best schools and the best teachers cannot succeed with students who do not want to learn. So how do we fix that?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

in Florida we give school grades based on test scores and graduation rates(?). If you live near a crappy school -you can go elsewhere
or you can go charter. Schools that receive an "F" for 2 years in a row get shut down. So there is a goal

It's worked pretty well.

not if you rate you State by educational outcomes and attainment where Florida is one of the worst in the nation.

 

[Bill]

in Florida we give school grades based on test scores and graduation rates(?). If you live near a crappy school -you can go elsewhere
or you can go charter. Schools that receive an "F" for 2 years in a row get shut down. So there is a goal

It's worked pretty well.

So the crappy school is closed & what happens to the ppl that worked there??

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I will admit, that while it's easy to beat-up on urban schools, the truth is that no philosophy will fix education right now. The problem is the atrociously inept level of parenting we see in America today. This includes the suburbs, as well as rural and urban areas. The complete lack of discipline and respect we instill at home, and in the community, means we are sending fewer students and more problems to school. Since urban and rural families tend to be more broken, the suburban schools will skate by as "better" statistically.

i wish I could give you more than one prop. It's not the entire problem but a big part of it. Good post.