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How many innocent civilians have died?
US Airstrikes in Libya still don't dislodge ISIS
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How many innocent civilians have died?
In Split With Clinton, Sen. Kaine Sees No Legal Authority for New Libya War
Allies Expect Kaine to Back Down as Clinton Insists 9/11 AUMF Sufficient for New War
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/08/08/...ne-sees-no-legal-authority-for-new-libya-war/
the US attacked the Libyan city of Sirte last week, they did so without any explicit Congressional authorization. This was unsurprising, of course, as they never got Congressional authorization for the last Libya war either, nor for the ongoing ISIS wars in Syria and Libya.
Sen. Tim Kaine (D – VA) tried and failed to get war authorizations passed before, and on Sunday was quick to warn that he doesn’t believe there is any legal authorization for this new war, cautioning it sets a dangerous precedent. With no White House intentions to seek such authorization, this would be a non-story, except Sen. Kaine is the Democratic nominee for Vice President.
His running-mate, Hillary Clinton,was quick to disagree with him public, insisting that she has no doubt that the 2001 authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) after 9/11 covers the Libya War, even though it only authorizes force against those involved in 9/11, which ISIS obviously was not.
Still, Sen. Chris Murphy (D – CT), a close Kaine ally, was quick to predict that Kaine would knuckle under and start echoing Clinton’s position, saying Hillary “is signaling that she’s serious” and that Kaine is obliged to support her position, even if it’s the exact opposite of his.
Allies Expect Kaine to Back Down as Clinton Insists 9/11 AUMF Sufficient for New War
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/08/08/...ne-sees-no-legal-authority-for-new-libya-war/
the US attacked the Libyan city of Sirte last week, they did so without any explicit Congressional authorization. This was unsurprising, of course, as they never got Congressional authorization for the last Libya war either, nor for the ongoing ISIS wars in Syria and Libya.
Sen. Tim Kaine (D – VA) tried and failed to get war authorizations passed before, and on Sunday was quick to warn that he doesn’t believe there is any legal authorization for this new war, cautioning it sets a dangerous precedent. With no White House intentions to seek such authorization, this would be a non-story, except Sen. Kaine is the Democratic nominee for Vice President.
His running-mate, Hillary Clinton,was quick to disagree with him public, insisting that she has no doubt that the 2001 authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) after 9/11 covers the Libya War, even though it only authorizes force against those involved in 9/11, which ISIS obviously was not.
Still, Sen. Chris Murphy (D – CT), a close Kaine ally, was quick to predict that Kaine would knuckle under and start echoing Clinton’s position, saying Hillary “is signaling that she’s serious” and that Kaine is obliged to support her position, even if it’s the exact opposite of his.
US Faces Major Limits on Libya Intervention
news.antiwar.com/2016/08/08/us-faces-major-limits-on-libya-intervention/
The Obama Administration has made very public their intention to get heavily involved in Libya for months on end, and finally started doing so last Monday, with airstrikes launched at the request of the “unity government” against the city of Sirte
It’s still early going, but with the US keen to get heavily invested in Libya, the “unity government” could prove a major hindrance, as the faction has little territory, very little capacity for offensives to justify US air support, and a very rudimentary system of organization to grow that involvement.
The capture of Sirte has been seen as a major goal for all the different would-be governments in Libya, and the “unity government” didn’t seem particularly likely to take it on their own, which led to them asking for US help. It was the excuse to intervene that the US had been waiting for, but came at the price of throwing their weight behind one of the least formidable of the many limited Libyan factions.
The “unity government” hasn’t really fleshed out plans for what comes after Sirte, because winning Sirte was such a centerpiece goal and their forces so limited, it didn’t pay to look past that fight. At the same time, France and Italy have ground troops in Libya, part of what was being positioned as a Western intervention, and they’re backing another government, the Tobruk Parliament.
Western plans for overt intervention in Libya have been growing for awhile, but weren’t meant to start this soon. The US military involvement, and their choosing of a side so quickly is likely throwing a wrench into a lot of those plans, forcing rethinks.
So the US has gotten its wish, and ended up in Libya. That military intervention is sure to last a long, long time, but the justification for the sort of endless escalations we’ve seen in their other wars just aren’t in place yet, which could leave them spinning their wheels for some time.
news.antiwar.com/2016/08/08/us-faces-major-limits-on-libya-intervention/
The Obama Administration has made very public their intention to get heavily involved in Libya for months on end, and finally started doing so last Monday, with airstrikes launched at the request of the “unity government” against the city of Sirte
It’s still early going, but with the US keen to get heavily invested in Libya, the “unity government” could prove a major hindrance, as the faction has little territory, very little capacity for offensives to justify US air support, and a very rudimentary system of organization to grow that involvement.
The capture of Sirte has been seen as a major goal for all the different would-be governments in Libya, and the “unity government” didn’t seem particularly likely to take it on their own, which led to them asking for US help. It was the excuse to intervene that the US had been waiting for, but came at the price of throwing their weight behind one of the least formidable of the many limited Libyan factions.
The “unity government” hasn’t really fleshed out plans for what comes after Sirte, because winning Sirte was such a centerpiece goal and their forces so limited, it didn’t pay to look past that fight. At the same time, France and Italy have ground troops in Libya, part of what was being positioned as a Western intervention, and they’re backing another government, the Tobruk Parliament.
Western plans for overt intervention in Libya have been growing for awhile, but weren’t meant to start this soon. The US military involvement, and their choosing of a side so quickly is likely throwing a wrench into a lot of those plans, forcing rethinks.
So the US has gotten its wish, and ended up in Libya. That military intervention is sure to last a long, long time, but the justification for the sort of endless escalations we’ve seen in their other wars just aren’t in place yet, which could leave them spinning their wheels for some time.
Legion Troll
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How many innocent civilians will be killed by American bombs?
Right about now it looks like Sirte is the entrance for yet another round of US interventionism.
Best hold that question for later as we go into another round of bombing Libya.
we killed quite a few last time -we even bombed Misrata