The world has never been safer....

anatta said:
it's weird that common people get it - but the ruling class does not.
There has to be ways to support Islam as a valid religion, while exorcising the jihadist..

Currently it's confined to anti-online ISIS recruitment; but the problem is so much more engrained..
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There's no good answer. The best answer is a reformation within Islam. And that will likely be bloody.

The problem is denial won't get us there. The next decade or so will be interesting.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
There's no good answer. The best answer is a reformation within Islam. And that will likely be bloody.

The problem is denial won't get us there. The next decade or so will be interesting.
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I think you are correct. we're bystanders.
we can go after jihadists, but we can't reform Islam
 
Bill said:
What is it he is fiddling w/??

What is it you would want him to do??

What, if anything are you willing to do??
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He's probably willing to vote for someone that will take a more aggressive stance on immigration policy. That's one thing Obama hasn't done.

If Muslims immigrants from another part of the world exhibit a high rate of radicalism, *do something* to make it harder for them to get here.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Why is it liberals constantly minimize the threat from Islamic terrorism?
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Two reasons

1) multiculturalism. They see muslimes as oppressed brown people picked on by Americans and Jews

2) and I believe this is the most important. If they acknowledge there is a muslime problem then the next step is "what do you do about it?". Demalquedacrats don't want to think about it

It is much easier for the left to ignore the problem until they can't.
 
mogur said:
One of these days you will grow some balls and sleep with the light off. There's a jihadist under your bed. And the government wants cut your dick off with a machete. Yawn.
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Where is your bravery when it comes to the 2nd Amendment?

One mass shooting of six year olds and your get carpal tunnel from wringing your hands
 
anatta said:
it's weird that common people get it - but the ruling class does not.
There has to be ways to support Islam as a valid religion, while exorcising the jihadist..

Currently it's confined to anti-online ISIS recruitment; but the problem is so much more engrained..
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They really don't think it can impact them. The muslimes get settled in areas where they aren't near JPP libs. Just like keeping the negroes in the ghettoes. That way JPP libs can get credit for being "compassionate" without ever feeling the consequences of their actions. I am sure if a daughter of a JPP liberal were raped by a Syrian refugee they might change their tune (or would they)
 
Thing1 said:
What did I say that is wrong?

Or does it make you feel silly to obsess over something that's as likely as getting killed by furniture?
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And you are just as likely to get killed by furniture than a mass shooting yet that doesn't stop you from wanting to do something about it. Why is that?
 
I Love America said:
They really don't think it can impact them. The muslimes get settled in areas where they aren't near JPP libs. Just like keeping the negroes in the ghettoes. That way JPP libs can get credit for being "compassionate" without ever feeling the consequences of their actions. I am sure if a daughter of a JPP liberal were raped by a Syrian refugee they might change their tune (or would they)
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/feds-arrest-nc-man-allegedly-organize-isis-inspired/story?id=41116166

Fresh off the wire: the Feds catch an ISIS sympathizer trying to organize a cell in Charlotte NC.

I wouldn't call that a daily occurrence but it's becoming more and more common. As much as I piss and moan about government dysfunction I have to say the FBI and our domestic anti-terrorism apparatus does an excellent job.

But, it's just a matter of time before they start to miss. Another thing that's unsettling is that the suspect in the link is a black American. How long before ISIS taps into the BLM movement? If they haven't already. BLM isn't just a movement: it's a movement that's coalesced around an ideology.

And that ideology makes fertile ground for ISIS recruitment.
 
Bill said:
What is it he is fiddling w/??
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well, if we were the board liberals and the question was about Trump, the first answer you get would be "his daughters" accompanied by a photoshopped gif........

as it is, he fiddles with inviting illegal children across our borders under executive orders......he fiddles with civil wars in the Middle East.......he fiddles with failed experiments in health insurance......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
well, if we were the board liberals and the question was about Trump, the first answer you get would be "his daughters" accompanied by a photoshopped gif........

as it is, he fiddles with inviting illegal children across our borders under executive orders......he fiddles with civil wars in the Middle East.......he fiddles with failed experiments in health insurance......
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Obama fiddles and dithers lol.

Then he gives a really good speech.
 
Thing1 said:
Nope. It was Bush creating a power vacuum in the Middle East.

Sorry 'bout that.
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Ok, Bush left office almost 8 years ago. It can't be Bush's fault all the time. It's getting ridiculous lol.

Obama could have hit ISIS before they got established and when they were vulnerable. But he didn't. He dithered.

Which a polite way of saying pissed around.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Ok, Bush left office almost 8 years ago. It can't be Bush's fault all the time. It's getting ridiculous lol.

Obama could have hit ISIS before they got established and when they were vulnerable. But he didn't. He dithered.

Which a polite way of saying pissed around.
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You don't think creating a power vacuum in the Middle East is Bush's fault?

Weird.
 
Thing1 said:
You don't think creating a power vacuum in the Middle East is Bush's fault?

Weird.
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You've got the partisan thing really bad.

Bush was out of office when the power vacuum occurred. Iraq was relatively stable when Obama took over. Those are two facts.

If you want to make it about Bush, Bush spelled out what would happen if we pulled out of Iraq:

“To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States" [Bush: 2007]

So there's actually two people at fault for the power vacuum: Bush, for creating the potential for one in invading Iraq: and Obama, for failing to keep Iraq secure. Obama is the one who actuated the potential initiated by Bush.

Put simply: the vacuum occurred under his [and Sec Clinton's] watch. Fact #3

Along comes ISIS: they nearly literally come waltzing out of Syria in their little Mazda trucks outfitted with artillery and began to take over Iraq.

And Obama does what he does best. He minimized the threat and called ISIS 'JV'. A gross miscalculation, which led to an ensuing genocide of various tribal groups, including Christians and Kurds: there was and continues to be massive blood letting, decapitations, crucifixions and probably things we'd rather not imagine going on in the, once stable, Iraq.

To make matters even worse, ISIS has become a sort of global terrorist beacon which every sort of malcontent swarms to like moths to a candle. Since ISIS isn't not only represents a caliphate but an ideology, we have an unknown number of sympathizers here in the US.

The FBI snagged one yesterday in NC. He wanted to start his own ISIS cell.

The bad news is we'll never catch them all. To lay all that at the feet of Bush is sheer partisan hackery.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You've got the partisan thing really bad.

Bush was out of office when the power vacuum occurred. Iraq was relatively stable when Obama took over. Those are two facts.

If you want to make it about Bush, Bush spelled out what would happen if we pulled out of Iraq:

“To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States" [Bush: 2007]

So there's actually two people at fault for the power vacuum: Bush, for creating the potential for one in invading Iraq: and Obama, for failing to keep Iraq secure. Obama is the one who actuated the potential initiated by Bush.

Put simply: the vacuum occurred under his [and Sec Clinton's] watch. Fact #3

Along comes ISIS: they nearly literally come waltzing out of Syria in their little Mazda trucks outfitted with artillery and began to take over Iraq.

And Obama does what he does best. He minimized the threat and called ISIS 'JV'. A gross miscalculation, which led to an ensuing genocide of various tribal groups, including Christians and Kurds: there was and continues to be massive blood letting, decapitations, crucifixions and probably things we'd rather not imagine going on in the, once stable, Iraq.

To make matters even worse, ISIS has become a sort of global terrorist beacon which every sort of malcontent swarms to like moths to a candle. Since ISIS isn't not only represents a caliphate but an ideology, we have an unknown number of sympathizers here in the US.

The FBI snagged one yesterday in NC. He wanted to start his own ISIS cell.

The bad news is we'll never catch them all. To lay all that at the feet of Bush is sheer partisan hackery.
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mostly agree. I do not know ir we could have stayed in Iraq -for sure we didn't try, and that caused a decent professional army to cave under Maliki's sectarian purging
It can be argued either way.
The rest of this I do agree with..and don't forget Libya (Clinton/Obama)

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...Airstrikes-in-Libya-still-don-t-dislodge-ISIS
US Airstrikes in Libya still don't dislodge ISIS

 
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