Regarding the recent gun bill defeat.

USFREEDOM911 said:
Not sure why you felt you needed to edit my post; but I'll put it back up, just for grins.

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Less band width. Your post was fine.
 
dnsmith1935 said:
Yet the AR-15 is not nor has ever been an assault as sold to US persons, period. Amazing how irrelevant your thinking can be.

Your civil liberties link took us to anti-cun site with POLITICAL DEFINITIONS of assault weapons. It is total bullpoop and the writer has his head firmly implanted in his excremental orifice.

The ar-15 site is a description of how the M-16 was created and it was the assault rifle, NOT THE AR-15 Only idiots believe look a like weapons are equal to the original. Just like the stupid who accept political definitions of what a weapon. BTW, the AR-15 is great for thin skinned animals, even more so that the larger caliber 30-30 because of its hitting power, but not so good as a 30-06 for bigger stronger animals, like wild boar, elk, moose et al.

You can take your ignorance and shove it.

One more thing, whose "truth" is your tag line speaking of? Certainly not of the left wing extremists idiocy.
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According to his logic, we should ban ALL fireworks; because they led to cannons being invented. :palm:
 
dnsmith1935 said:
What ever kills best is irrelevant. I want that gun! And I will use it in any perceived self defense, in defense of my family, and if the government becomes any more tyrannical than it is, in defense of my country. NEVER BRING A KNIFE TO A FIST FIGHT OR KNIFE FIGHT. Always bring a gun so the assailant cannot get close to you.

IE, don't lower yourself to the status of any militant, violent person may have in weaponry. Be sure to have more power. Never give an assailant even a small chance.

Oh yes! A bona fide AK-47 IS an assault weapon. An AK-47 look alike IS NOT AN ASSAULT WEAPON. The principle difference between an acceptable weapon and an assault weapon is its function, not its looks. Full Auto is, semi-auto is not.
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Earlier in my marriage, my wife wasn't comfortable with me having a firearm in the house.
So I presented her with the following scenario:
What would happen if we heard a noise and found someone holding a knife on one of our daughters and he says that I need to put down my gun
What should I do?

She said that I should put down the gun and I told her that this would mean that not only does he still have his knife, one of our daughters, and now my gun!!

I told her what I would do and that is to aim the gun, directly at him.
Explain to him that at this range, that I could probably put a bullet through his eye without hitting my daughter; but then go on to explain that if harms my daughter, that I'm going to shoot him no matter what and that if he kills my daughter; well then, I'm going to shoot him in every conceivable spot and the last sound he'll ever hear, right after that of the sirens pulling up outside of our house, would be the one that blows his brains out.
Therefore the best cast scenario for all of us, was for him to put down the knife and lay the fuck on the floor.
 
For those who afraid of their shadows, IE anti-gun nuts. The chart shows a 56% increase in guns and a 49% decrease of gun violence.

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SmarterthanYou said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
This is what, about the 6th claim to some form of expertise you've made on these boards over the years? Forgive me if I don't believe a word you say. As to "bloviating", only a complete neocon/teabagger/fibbertarian jackass would think a person defending their home from burglars needs a "combat tactic". You're not in the army, jackass. If someone breaks into your home and you have a gun, you can shoot them if you get the drop on them. A .38 revolver will kill them just as much as a shotgun or a semi-automatic rifle. Been that way since yer grand pappy's days....just ask any cop worth their salt.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this is the stupid shit we're talking about. I spent 6 years in the marines, but you won't believe that unless I post my DD214 or some stupid shit, and I know right off the bat you didn't ask a damned cop about combat tactics for a home intruder because any REAL cop worth their salt would KNOW that you approach every possible situation like that as combat and you use tactics.

just go away, jackass. tired of you revealing your ignorance to all and i'm definitely tired of responding to your stupidity.
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Combat tactics for a home intruder? Newsflash for ya, dumbo...I grew up with cops. My dad was a NYC homicide detective. The average civilian gun owner gets basic training on how to handle a firearm if they so choose to take the class (depending upon varying state laws).....they can also option to take courses using training scenarios that most cops use for in the field (walking down the alley, inside a house with a perp, etc.). These COST, chuckles. So the average guy gets the basic class. I would love to see where you get your information to the contrary, because home owners on the whole who have successfully shot at and/or killed perpetrators sure as hell didn't have any "combat tactic". Been that way for a LONG time now.

It's like this genius; there's a BIG DIFFERENCE between being a combat soldier and a cop, a big difference between being a military cop and a civilian (state, city, county) cop. Any fool knows that...especially if they've applied for the job. So next time you want to dazzle us with your (alleged) military expertise, remember it's not a universal confirmation for all your assertions.

Hoo-rah! :palm:
 
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NOVA said:
Yeah, but we're talking about the FOOL that called the AR-15 an assault rifle like the AK 47......I think it was you, fool...
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No, YOU are jumping from one detour to another whenever you can't refute something I state or the link I provide to support what I say. The chronology of the posts will always be your undoing.

And for once and all, here's how the AR-15 became classified as an assault weapon like the AK-47 did: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm

Once again, Nova, you prove yourself to be a preposterous neocon/teabagger/fibbertarian crank.
 
dnsmith1935 said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
The us military disagrees with you, jackass...
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No it doesn't. The AR-15 as sold in the US is NOT AN AUTOMATIC. The various weapons, like the M-16, are. When you learn the difference, get back to me. My 27 years on active duty gives me a technical edge over anti-gun nuts.

http://manual.americasarmy.com/index.php/U.S._Army_Weapons
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No one said that the AR-15 was EVER sold as an automatic.

Here, for your education on the subject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15


http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm
 
dnsmith1935 said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
No one said that the AR-15 wasn't a semi-automatic, you simpleton. Learn to read!

As for the AR-15 classification:

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gun...lt-Weapons.htm

And what it was originally designed for:

https://www.ar15.com/content/article...ory/birth.html
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Yet the AR-15 is not nor has ever been an assault as sold to US persons, period. Amazing how irrelevant your thinking can be.

Your civil liberties link took us to anti-cun site with POLITICAL DEFINITIONS of assault weapons. It is total bullpoop and the writer has his head firmly implanted in his excremental orifice.

The ar-15 site is a description of how the M-16 was created and it was the assault rifle, NOT THE AR-15 Only idiots believe look a like weapons are equal to the original. Just like the stupid who accept political definitions of what a weapon. BTW, the AR-15 is great for thin skinned animals, even more so that the larger caliber 30-30 because of its hitting power, but not so good as a 30-06 for bigger stronger animals, like wild boar, elk, moose et al.

You can take your ignorance and shove it.

One more thing, whose "truth" is your tag line speaking of? Certainly not of the left wing extremists idiocy.
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The only idiocy here is your thinking that your personal opinion, supposition and conjecture replaces fact and history. The military doesn't create weapons for civilian use...the create weapons for combat and assault against the enemy.

As the information showed, the AR-15 morphed into a training weapon for the military before it became a popular civilian sale. The classification came as follows: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm

don't play semantics, junior....you're not that good at it.
 
dnsmith1935 said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
This is what, about the 6th claim to some form of expertise you've made on these boards over the years? Forgive me if I don't believe a word you say. As to "bloviating", only a complete neocon/teabagger/fibbertarian jackass would think a person defending their home from burglars needs a "combat tactic". You're not in the army, jackass. If someone breaks into your home and you have a gun, you can shoot them if you get the drop on them. A .38 revolver will kill them just as much as a shotgun or a semi-automatic rifle. Been that way since yer grand pappy's days....just ask any cop worth their salt.

The OP stands, and your just full of it as usual.
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What ever kills best is irrelevant. I want that gun! And I will use it in any perceived self defense, in defense of my family, and if the government becomes any more tyrannical than it is, in defense of my country. NEVER BRING A KNIFE TO A FIST FIGHT OR KNIFE FIGHT. Always bring a gun so the assailant cannot get close to you.

IE, don't lower yourself to the status of any militant, violent person may have in weaponry. Be sure to have more power. Never give an assailant even a small chance.

Oh yes! A bona fide AK-47 IS an assault weapon. An AK-47 look alike IS NOT AN ASSAULT WEAPON. The principle difference between an acceptable weapon and an assault weapon is its function, not its looks. Full Auto is, semi-auto is not.
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Oh get over yourself, butch. All that blathering STILL DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT REMOVAL OF THE AR-15 FROM civilian circulation makes it very difficult for nut jobs and criminals to get a hold of them. Period. Bottom line: a .38, shotgun or hunting rifle used for home defense has been working quite well for a generation or so. If you've got a hard on for AR-15 or Ak-47, then you're just a child longing for the shiner toy....either that or you're a lousy shot. Carry on.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Combat tactics for a home intruder? Newsflash for ya, dumbo...I grew up with cops. My dad was a NYC homicide detective. The average civilian gun owner gets basic training on how to handle a firearm if they so choose to take the class (depending upon varying stat laws).....they can also option to take courses using training scenarios that most cops use for in the field (walking down the alley, inside a house with a perp, etc.). These COST, chuckles. So the average guy gets the basic class. I would love to see where you get your information to the contrary, because home owners on the whole who have successfully shot at and/or killed perpetrators sure as hell didn't have any "combat tactic". Been that way for a LONG time now.

It's like this genius; there's a BIG DIFFERENCE between being a combat soldier and a cop, a big difference between being a military cop and a civilian (state, city, county) cop. Any fool knows that...especially if they've applied for the job. So next time you want to dazzle us with your (alleged) military expertise, remember it's not a universal confirmation for all your assertions.

Hoo-rah! :palm:
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:lies: you're simply full of shit and nobody believes you.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Combat tactics for a home intruder? Newsflash for ya, dumbo...I grew up with cops. My dad was a NYC homicide detective. The average civilian gun owner gets basic training on how to handle a firearm if they so choose to take the class (depending upon varying stat laws).....they can also option to take courses using training scenarios that most cops use for in the field (walking down the alley, inside a house with a perp, etc.). These COST, chuckles. So the average guy gets the basic class. I would love to see where you get your information to the contrary, because home owners on the whole who have successfully shot at and/or killed perpetrators sure as hell didn't have any "combat tactic". Been that way for a LONG time now.

It's like this genius; there's a BIG DIFFERENCE between being a combat soldier and a cop, a big difference between being a military cop and a civilian (state, city, county) cop. Any fool knows that...especially if they've applied for the job. So next time you want to dazzle us with your (alleged) military expertise, remember it's not a universal confirmation for all your assertions.

Hoo-rah!
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:lies: you're simply full of shit and nobody believes you.
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As opposed to YOUR preposterous claims over the years? Bottom line: You can't logically or factually disprove ONE THING I SAID there regarding the history of home defense, weapon purchases and the difference between civilian and military police procedures. In short, you're just a braying ass with delusions of grandeur who can't hang in a debate using facts and logic. That is evident in your childish retort here. Carry on.
 
CFM said:
Multiple determinations by someone simply running his dick sucker. Last time I looked, the only one for which you can do that is YOU. Don't agree. Not necessary for you to do so. Don't like people owning them, tough shit. You personally can't and won't do a damn thing about it but run your mouth.

Criminals STEAL guns, moron.

Spare us your arrogant bullshit and the thought that you can make decisions for others. If you think people shouldn't own them, personally do something about trying to take them yourself. We'll see if you have the guts or simply blowing smoke like most of your cowardly kind. You sure say a lot to never do a damn thing.
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AR-15s are not assault weapons. Few weapons are stolen and get in the hands of criminals. You are shooting blanks from under a pile of Katanga. To placate your ignorance: by Dan Noyes, Center for Investigative Reporting

"Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html Only stupid people believe that stealing guns is the primary means criminals get guns. Feel stupid yet?
 
NOVA said:
An AR-15 IS a semi-automatic, fool......the M-16, the military version of that rifle is the assault weapon
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Correct. Just ask any of us old soldiers who were around as the M_16 came about; from testing of the AR-15 frame and making modifications, especially for full automatic and the M-16 is an assault weapon, the AR-15 is not.and anybody who says it is is ignorant.

BTW, on my first tour (of 3) in Vietnam we landed at Tan So Neut under fire. Found it hard to believe on such a huge air base. Then again flying into Plei Ku, but in Ban Me Thuot things really got hot. But nothing beats Jan/Feb 1968 in Ya Dinh.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Since you don't have anyone advocating gun control on this thread doing what you say, that would make you out to be a liar.
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Oh? You could of fooled me as I came into this thread with some idiot trying to say 90% of the people want background checks. I guess you are too uneducated to read.
 
Taichiliberal said:
No one said that the AR-15 wasn't a semi-automatic, you simpleton. Learn to read!

As for the AR-15 classification:

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm

And what it was originally designed for:

https://www.ar15.com/content/articles/history/birth.html
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Are you stupid? It sure seems so. THE AR-15 WAS NEVER USED AS AN ASSAULT WEAPON. My boots were on the ground when the M-16 was introduced and it replaced the M-14 and the M1A1 selectable semi/full automatic which was the weapons along with several other weapons. We even got issued M-1s which we gave to the Montaigneyards.
 
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