Regarding the recent gun bill defeat.

Taichiliberal said:
Funny how the conservative senators and congressmen who voted against the recent gun bill say they did so with concern for a possible violation of our civil rights....and yet they had and have NO problem with the Patriot Act and all it's implications for violation. Just saying.

And for the record: Given the plethora of handguns (revolvers and semi-automatics), rifles (bolt action, semi-automatic) and shotguns, I would say that if you can't defend your home with one or more of these and an AR-15 is considered your only salvation, I'd say you're just a lousy shot. Just saying.
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You sure ASSume a lot for such an intellectually inferior little man.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Like it or not, Obama did extend the parts of the Patriot Act that were scheduled to expire. I have a problem with this, but our right wingnut friends seem not to...which is confusing given the powers of invasion of privacy, violations of habius corpus, etc. and such the Patriot Act has. Yet mention anything about limitations on access to guns, and they go ballistic about personal freedom, rights, privacy, etc. Go figure.
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Sure you have a problem with what Obama did. I guess that's why you put so little about it related to him and spend the rest of our rant chastising those on the right.
 
Leonthecat said:
This vote has demonstrated that the tide is turning against the NRA.
When Clinton appoints two Justices gun restriction will be quickly coming.
Will JPP hoplosexuals rise up?
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A better question is will you be coming to try and take them from us. When should we expect YOU?
 
Taichiliberal said:
And in the last twenty years (least of all the last 8) we've seen the results of your ideology on a limited scale. Take off the legal restraints as you propose, and increase the tragedy factor by 10 fold. :palm:
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Guns...are but a tool.....I agree, society has gone to hell over the past 50 years....but GUNS are not the culprit. That's like saying your lawnmower cut the neighbors leg off....damn evil lawnmower. Geeze what a loss of cognitive reasoning that comes from the left. Its THE PEOPLE and their trained lack of morality that causes hatred and violence...instructed by LIBERAL SOCIALISM as they have fought tooth and nail to remove morality from the public over the past 50 years. If you want to stop violence...stop teaching radical communist principles from the cradle to the grave removing the source of moral fiber from this republic...GOD. When men are taught they need no God, they do what they want in order to promote SELF, that includes violence to gain their desires.

LIBERALS:palm:...everyone and everything is to blame for this nations problems...except SELF and the failed policies that self has supported over the years. Why have GUNS become the problem only over the past few years when the right to carry has existed from this Republic's conception? Because you are creating the FALSE PREMISE that guns somehow are responsible for cognitive CRIME. Maybe guns are not the problem as revealed by taking a simple look at history and "LEARNING"...something no liberal is capable of doing...APPARENTLY.

There is a difference between being IGNORANT and just plain STUPID. Being ignorant simply means you don't know everything (like liberals claim).....but STUPID is a different animal....stupid does not possess the mental capacity to learn a damn thing.
 
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CFM said:
That's exactly what he did. The only other option based on his statement is that he is guaranteeing a result for which the situation hasn't happened.
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of course he'll not feel the need to. All he will do is label me a fascist neocon/threeper/keeper/tenther/and any other name he can think of and then claim that all i did was bray like a jack ass while not being able to refute the chronology of the posts which show some sort of cold hard facts.......whatever he thinks that was.
 
SmarterthanFew said:
of course he'll not feel the need to. All he will do is label me a fascist neocon/threeper/keeper/tenther/and any other name he can think of and then claim that all i did was bray like a jack ass while not being able to refute the chronology of the posts which show some sort of cold hard facts.......whatever he thinks that was.
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Are you going to rise up?

Or will "caution" prevent your resistance to tyranny again? :rofl2:
 
Ralph said:
Guns...are but a tool.....I agree, society has gone to hell over the past 50 years....but GUNS are not the culprit. That's like saying your lawnmower cut the neighbors leg off....damn evil lawnmower. Geeze what a loss of cognitive reasoning that comes from the left. Its THE PEOPLE and their trained lack of morality that causes hatred and violence...instructed by LIBERAL SOCIALISM as they have fought tooth and nail to remove morality from the public over the past 50 years. If you want to stop violence...stop teaching radical communist principles from the cradle to the grave removing the source of moral fiber from this republic...GOD. When men are taught they need no God, they do what they want in order to promote SELF, that includes violence to gain their desires.

LIBERALS:palm:...everyone and everything is to blame for this nations problems...except SELF and the failed policies that self has supported over the years. Why have GUNS become the problem only over the past few years when the right to carry has existed from this Republic's conception? Because you are creating the FALSE PREMISE that guns somehow are responsible for cognitive CRIME. Maybe guns are not the problem as revealed by taking a simple look at history and "LEARNING"...something no liberal is capable of doing...APPARENTLY.

There is a difference between being IGNORANT and just plain STUPID. Being ignorant simply means you don't know everything (like liberals claim).....but STUPID is a different animal....stupid does not possess the mental capacity to learn a damn thing.
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My, that was a LOT of smoke blown by you to try and ignore a simple fact:

Assault weapons like the AK-47 and the AR-15 (and it's many cousins) are NOT ideal for hunting and are NOT the be all, end all weapon of choice for home defense. If you can't defend your home with the choice of hand guns, rifles and shotguns that have served well for a century or so, then you're just a bad shot.

More to the point, criminals have to pay a higher price for illegal weapons...removing assault weapons off the market makes them that much harder and much more expensive for the criminal element/evil doer....this translates into FEWER incidents with such weapons. Capice'?

So spare us all that idiot statement that guns don't kill people, people kill people....because that's a no brainer. But what your intellectually dishonest mind refuses to fathom that WITHOUT said assault weapons in the last few mass murders, the body count would have been LESS (save for using a bomb). See, this ain't a Warner Bros. cartoon where the gun sprouts tiny sneaker feet and chases people around. Carry on.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And in the last twenty years (least of all the last 8) we've seen the results of your ideology on a limited scale. Take off the legal restraints as you propose, and increase the tragedy factor by 10 fold.
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total conjecture and supposition without any factual evidence.
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really? Tell that to the victims in Orlando, San Bernandino... and then there's this: http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/popular-ar-15-style-rifle-used-in-recent-mass-killings/
 
Taichiliberal said:
Funny how the conservative senators and congressmen who voted against the recent gun bill say they did so with concern for a possible violation of our civil rights....and yet they had and have NO problem with the Patriot Act and all it's implications for violation. Just saying.

And for the record: Given the plethora of handguns (revolvers and semi-automatics), rifles (bolt action, semi-automatic) and shotguns, I would say that if you can't defend your home with one or more of these and an AR-15 is considered your only salvation, I'd say you're just a lousy shot. Just saying.
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An AR-15 is not an assault weapon. It is a look alike and can be very handy when hunting in bush because of its size and weight. People who whine and cry about a simple semi-automatic firearm are babies whining and crying while peeing into the wind.
 
Leonthecat said:
This vote has demonstrated that the tide is turning against the NRA.
When Clinton appoints two Justices gun restriction will be quickly coming.
Will JPP hoplosexuals rise up?
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Do you really believe the GOP congress will approve of any nomination that is a gun control nut? It is their DUTY to turn down any radical left winger.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And this is the BEST this GOP sycophant has to offer on this thread when his usual mantras about the 2nd Amendment and his alleged expertise on firearms runs out. :palm:
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The 2nd amendment has been the law of the land for 250 years. The history of what the founders meant by it is available on several web sites.There is no way the sane people of our country will back their legislators attempt to ratify a change. It takes a real stupid person to object to guns as over the 10 year period 1993-2013 in a study done by the CDC and the Congressional Research Services guns have increased 56% and gun violence is down 49%. Only the absurdly ignorant person can look at those stats and want more gun control. http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/cnsnewscom-staff/more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013

and http://cdn.cnsnews.com/percent_chan..._firearms_vs._gun_homicide_rate_1993-2013.png
 
Leonthecat said:
This vote has demonstrated that the tide is turning against the NRA.
When Clinton appoints two Justices gun restriction will be quickly coming.
Will JPP hoplosexuals rise up?
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haha you say that every year.

Here is the problem for you gun grabbers:

1) when you falsely claim that 90% of Americans support background checks (that would even include a gun psycho like me) you fail to realize/delve deeper in that such a stat does not mean they would agree with the liberals implementation of background checks and preventing people from having ever seen a councilor from having a gun. Or being on a no fly list and not being able to have a gun.

2) Those that are gun grabbers are nominally so. They say "yeah I don't like guns" but when you have them rank it on how important of an issue it is, it's near the bottom. There is no real enthusiasm or fire in your bellies to restrict gun rights. If Clinton came out and supported the NRA tomorrow you think any of you Crooked Clinton supporters would abandon her campaign? Fuck no.

In contrast, those that support the 2nd amendment feel incredibly strongly about it. A republican would not be able to be elected - period, if they went against it. This is actually true for most democrats as well. That's why Kerry, a New England elite, yachting, yale attending billionaire had to walk around in an orange vest in 2004 on his turkey hunt.

The bottom line is, you have much more to lose as a politician if you go against guns.

That's why 6 year olds can get shot in the face and you guys can't do jack shit about getting rid of the 2nd amendment.
That's why we can have mass shooting after mass shooting and you guys can't do jack shit about it.
And that's why every year you say the same thing: "The tide is turning... any day now... just you wait and see!"

lol.
 
Clock Town said:
haha you say that every year.

Here is the problem for you gun grabbers:

1) when you falsely claim that 90% of Americans support background checks (that would even include a gun psycho like me) you fail to realize/delve deeper in that such a stat does not mean they would agree with the liberals implementation of background checks and preventing people from having ever seen a councilor from having a gun. Or being on a no fly list and not being able to have a gun.

2) Those that are gun grabbers are nominally so. They say "yeah I don't like guns" but when you have them rank it on how important of an issue it is, it's near the bottom. There is no real enthusiasm or fire in your bellies to restrict gun rights. If Clinton came out and supported the NRA tomorrow you think any of you Crooked Clinton supporters would abandon her campaign? Fuck no.

In contrast, those that support the 2nd amendment feel incredibly strongly about it. A republican would not be able to be elected - period, if they went against it. This is actually true for most democrats as well. That's why Kerry, a New England elite, yachting, yale attending billionaire had to walk around in an orange vest in 2004 on his turkey hunt.

The bottom line is, you have much more to lose as a politician if you go against guns.

That's why 6 year olds can get shot in the face and you guys can't do jack shit about getting rid of the 2nd amendment.
That's why we can have mass shooting after mass shooting and you guys can't do jack shit about it.
And that's why every year you say the same thing: "The tide is turning... any day now... just you wait and see!"

lol.
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Taichiliberal said:
My, that was a LOT of smoke blown by you to try and ignore a simple fact:

Assault weapons like the AK-47 and the AR-15 (and it's many cousins) are NOT ideal for hunting and are NOT the be all, end all weapon of choice for home defense. If you can't defend your home with the choice of hand guns, rifles and shotguns that have served well for a century or so, then you're just a bad shot.


More to the point, criminals have to pay a higher price for illegal weapons...removing assault weapons off the market makes them that much harder and much more expensive for the criminal element/evil doer....this translates into FEWER incidents with such weapons. Capice'?

So spare us all that idiot statement that guns don't kill people, people kill people....because that's a no brainer. But what your intellectually dishonest mind refuses to fathom that WITHOUT said assault weapons in the last few mass murders, the body count would have been LESS (save for using a bomb). See, this ain't a Warner Bros. cartoon where the gun sprouts tiny sneaker feet and chases people around. Carry on.
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Multiple determinations by someone simply running his dick sucker. Last time I looked, the only one for which you can do that is YOU. Don't agree. Not necessary for you to do so. Don't like people owning them, tough shit. You personally can't and won't do a damn thing about it but run your mouth.

Criminals STEAL guns, moron.

Spare us your arrogant bullshit and the thought that you can make decisions for others. If you think people shouldn't own them, personally do something about trying to take them yourself. We'll see if you have the guts or simply blowing smoke like most of your cowardly kind. You sure say a lot to never do a damn thing.
 
dnsmith1935 said:
An AR-15 is not an assault weapon. It is a look alike and can be very handy when hunting in bush because of its size and weight. People who whine and cry about a simple semi-automatic firearm are babies whining and crying while peeing into the wind.
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The us military disagrees with you, jackass...
 
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