Obama said today, 'the world has never been safer'

Thing1 said:
What do you want from me? I agree with you, wholeheartedly. We were definitely less safe under Bush.

I won't argue it.
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That's not what I said and you know it you lying motherfucker.

Afraid to answer my question above?
 
CFM said:
That's not what I said and you know it you lying motherfucker.

Afraid to answer my question above?
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Kind of a "gotcha" question. I prefer no attacks & no lives lost. I'm not saying that I "prefer" anything aside from that.

My overall point is that it's hysteria. 1 out of 20 million chance that anyone dies in a terrorist attack - same as getting killed by a piece of furniture. I haven't seen anything on this thread to convince me otherwise.
 
Thing1 said:
Kind of a "gotcha" question. I prefer no attacks & no lives lost. I'm not saying that I "prefer" anything aside from that.

My overall point is that it's hysteria. 1 out of 20 million chance that anyone dies in a terrorist attack - same as getting killed by a piece of furniture. I haven't seen anything on this thread to convince me otherwise.
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What is with you and Zappa constantly throwing that out when your position gets questioned and looks weak , much so, that you actually can't defend it?
 
Thing1 said:
I was just about to start a safety thread.

"Law & order" was the big theme at the convention this week. Making America "safer."

Violent crime in America has gone steadily down since the Reagan years. Between 2009 & today, it has declined by 15%.

The hysteria is entirely fabricated.
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gosh, I remember something about dead people in Chicago....was that all a dream?....
 
anatta said:
A rise in homicides and other violent crimes in major cities across the U.S. in the first months of 2016 is reigniting a debate over whether law enforcement may have slacked off or become less aggressive.

Chicago, Los Angeles, Memphis and Las Vegas are among major cities reporting a notable uptick in homicides — but more than half of the police departments that reported first-quarter crime statistics also experienced increases in rapes, robberies, aggravated assaults and nonfatal shootings
After more than a decade of downward-trending crime rates across the country, the fact that homicides have begun to increase in some cities but not others is worrisome to law enforcement who are struggling to explain why, said Chuck Wexler, director of the Police Executive Research Forum.

“It’s almost like an early warning system,” Mr. Wexler said. “And you have a number of cities who are asking the same question: What is the common denominator?”

FBI Director James B. Comey, after being briefed on the crime statistics last week, revived a controversial assessment that the crime uptick might be due to police becoming less aggressive in their duties as officers fear they may become the subject of the next “viral video

The numbers are not only going up, they are continuing to go up in many of those cities faster than they were going up last year,” Mr. Comey told reporters during a roundtable discussion at FBI headquarters last week. “I don’t know what the answer is, but holy cow, do we have a problem.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/15/homicides-violent-crimes-spike-in-us-cities-as-pol/
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if violent crime is down as Thing and Rana claimed, I wonder why Comey didn't call it a decline in crime instead of "uptick"........
 
Thing1 said:
What do you want from me? I agree with you, wholeheartedly. We were definitely less safe under Bush.

I won't argue it.
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I have read all your posts.....I have not seen any of your numbers.......what was the homicide rate in Chicago BEFORE Obama?.....
 
Thing1 said:
Well, we agree - we were less safe under Bush, for sure.
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I know your partisan blinders keep you from seeing it---or admitting it, but 9/11 could have easily happened under Clinton. Clinton could have had bin Laden, actually. The difference between me and you is I don't fault Clinton, though one can certainly argue the point.

The reason I don't is because I hate hind sight arguments lol.

Our whole posture vis a vis 'terrorism' changed as a result of 9/11. You'd never admit it, but Bush led the way on it. I'm not a Bush II fan but I give credit where credit is due.

There's the pre-9/11 world and the post 9/11 world. Bill Clinton lived in the former world. We all did, so you can't fault him for that.

No way would Americans would put up with TSA body exams in a pre-9/11 world.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I know your partisan blinders keep you from seeing it---or admitting it, but 9/11 could have easily happened under Clinton. Clinton could have had bin Laden, actually. The difference between me and you is I don't fault Clinton, though one can certainly argue the point.

The reason I don't is because I hate hind sight arguments lol.

Our whole posture vis a vis 'terrorism' changed as a result of 9/11. You'd never admit it, but Bush led the way on it. I'm not a Bush II fan but I give credit where credit is due.

There's the pre-9/11 world and the post 9/11 world. Bill Clinton lived in the former world. We all did, so you can't fault him for that.

No way would Americans would put up with TSA body exams in a pre-9/11 world.
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You're definitely a Bush II fan.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I know your partisan blinders keep you from seeing it---or admitting it, but 9/11 could have easily happened under Clinton. Clinton could have had bin Laden, actually. The difference between me and you is I don't fault Clinton, though one can certainly argue the point.

The reason I don't is because I hate hind sight arguments lol.

Our whole posture vis a vis 'terrorism' changed as a result of 9/11. You'd never admit it, but Bush led the way on it. I'm not a Bush II fan but I give credit where credit is due.

There's the pre-9/11 world and the post 9/11 world. Bill Clinton lived in the former world. We all did, so you can't fault him for that.

No way would Americans would put up with TSA body exams in a pre-9/11 world.
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In thingys case, he can only have hind with his head being up his ass ......
and now we see that he has no balls and cannot admit being wrong....but schooling him on a regular basis is still fun.....

Changing the subject and personal attacks is his 'go to' method of running....
 
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