Homeless in SF and America

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The SF Chronicle has a week long series on homelessness in the City and basically how little has changed here in 30 years. A columnist gave a pretty good summation of it here. People can't say SF doesn't care based on the amount of money that has been spent trying to address the problem. But as we know more money doesn't always equal better results. Tough situation.




SF cannot be the provider for nation’s homeless


What if we set a limit on the number of homeless people we were willing to help?

In The Chronicle’s weeklong coverage of homelessness in the Bay Area, all the experts said the same thing: We can end homelessness.

There’s just one requirement.

Money. Lots more than the $200 million we’re spending now.

We’re talking about housing and services for over 6,000 people, some of whom have severe mental and medical illnesses. And that’s not to say that more won’t show up.

Because as it stands right now, any person who comes to San Francisco and sits down on the street becomes our problem. We’re responsible for housing them, treating their medical issues and keeping them from peeing and defecating on the street, scattering dirty hypodermic needles and blocking the sidewalk.

Yet, we’re not making progress. We can’t even maintain the status quo. In 2013, the city’s biennial homeless count found 6,436 people with no place to stay. Two years later, after outreach, counseling and treatment, the total was 6,686, up 3.8 percent.


As Chronicle reporter Kevin Fagan wrote as part of the multi-news-organization SF Homeless Project, “Homelessness in San Francisco doesn’t look much different than it did 10 years ago. Or 20.”

Honestly, the real answer is probably that this is a nationwide problem in need of a federal response.

So far, San Francisco has poured money into a bucket with a hole in the bottom. We’re spending just enough to make ourselves feel virtuous but not enough to make a significant difference.

So I would say there are two ways to handle this. We can ramp up a major financial initiative to at least double what we are spending now, creating thousands of housing units and treatment centers. You can fix almost anything — at least temporarily — with hundreds of millions of dollars.

Or we can set a cap, or a ceiling on what we will do, how much we will spend and how many people we’ll help at a time.

We’ve proved we can’t handle the influx of homeless individuals into San Francisco. Shelters are crowded, housing is unavailable and mental health facilities are revolving doors.

What if we said instead, we’re going to take care of the thousands we currently have in our system (and the new plan to track and document them will help in this). If we can’t be all things to all people, let’s concentrate on a really terrific set of services and housing that works.

Isn’t that the idea anyhow? To transition the homeless through services and get them into supportive housing? This would be a way to do that. Not all at once, but as a process. And then, at the end of the year, we see how many have transitioned out and add those vacancies to the next year’s homeless plan.

Which leaves, of course, a considerable number of people still on the street. And they can’t stay there, certainly not in tents.

It’s always surprising to me to hear city officials — who are very sympathetic to the homeless — say about the tents, “Well, they’re against the law. We’re going to have to enforce the tent law — the encampments have to go.”

But the city has to do it right: Citation, follow up, second citation, court appearance and a stay in jail. It cannot be a ho-hum “we told you to pack up your tent and leave the neighborhood.”

So those are the choices. Dramatically increase spending on the homeless, which inevitably would take funds from transit, affordable housing for the middle class and public schools.

Or, set a limit on homeless funding and say: We’re willing and able to help homeless individuals, but there’s a limit. We’ll do our part, take care of the thousands we can reach.

But at a certain point, we’re going to have to say it out loud: We’re sorry, we cannot be the homeless provider for the rest of the country.



http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...or-nation-s-homeless-8344436.php?t=c75b671d43
 
So this raises a couple of questions for me

1) Are we talking about existing San Francisco citizens who have become homeless?

or

2) Is San Francisco attracting homeless from other places

What is interesting is seeing that San Fran is paying $33,000 per homeless person. I mean they could just give them monthly checks right?

I am sure that there will be tons of compassion from the JPP demalquedacrats calling for more taxes on the rich and then said demalquedacrats will slink away with a sense of accomplishment and self assuredness that they are indeed good and caring people
 
The SF Chronicle has a week long series on homelessness in the City and basically how little has changed here in 30 years. A columnist gave a pretty good summation of it here. People can't say SF doesn't care based on the amount of money that has been spent trying to address the problem. But as we know more money doesn't always equal better results. Tough situation.




SF cannot be the provider for nation’s homeless


What if we set a limit on the number of homeless people we were willing to help?

In The Chronicle’s weeklong coverage of homelessness in the Bay Area, all the experts said the same thing: We can end homelessness.

There’s just one requirement.

Money. Lots more than the $200 million we’re spending now.

We’re talking about housing and services for over 6,000 people, some of whom have severe mental and medical illnesses. And that’s not to say that more won’t show up.

Because as it stands right now, any person who comes to San Francisco and sits down on the street becomes our problem. We’re responsible for housing them, treating their medical issues and keeping them from peeing and defecating on the street, scattering dirty hypodermic needles and blocking the sidewalk.

Yet, we’re not making progress. We can’t even maintain the status quo. In 2013, the city’s biennial homeless count found 6,436 people with no place to stay. Two years later, after outreach, counseling and treatment, the total was 6,686, up 3.8 percent.


As Chronicle reporter Kevin Fagan wrote as part of the multi-news-organization SF Homeless Project, “Homelessness in San Francisco doesn’t look much different than it did 10 years ago. Or 20.”

Honestly, the real answer is probably that this is a nationwide problem in need of a federal response.

So far, San Francisco has poured money into a bucket with a hole in the bottom. We’re spending just enough to make ourselves feel virtuous but not enough to make a significant difference.

So I would say there are two ways to handle this. We can ramp up a major financial initiative to at least double what we are spending now, creating thousands of housing units and treatment centers. You can fix almost anything — at least temporarily — with hundreds of millions of dollars.

Or we can set a cap, or a ceiling on what we will do, how much we will spend and how many people we’ll help at a time.

We’ve proved we can’t handle the influx of homeless individuals into San Francisco. Shelters are crowded, housing is unavailable and mental health facilities are revolving doors.

What if we said instead, we’re going to take care of the thousands we currently have in our system (and the new plan to track and document them will help in this). If we can’t be all things to all people, let’s concentrate on a really terrific set of services and housing that works.

Isn’t that the idea anyhow? To transition the homeless through services and get them into supportive housing? This would be a way to do that. Not all at once, but as a process. And then, at the end of the year, we see how many have transitioned out and add those vacancies to the next year’s homeless plan.

Which leaves, of course, a considerable number of people still on the street. And they can’t stay there, certainly not in tents.

It’s always surprising to me to hear city officials — who are very sympathetic to the homeless — say about the tents, “Well, they’re against the law. We’re going to have to enforce the tent law — the encampments have to go.”

But the city has to do it right: Citation, follow up, second citation, court appearance and a stay in jail. It cannot be a ho-hum “we told you to pack up your tent and leave the neighborhood.”

So those are the choices. Dramatically increase spending on the homeless, which inevitably would take funds from transit, affordable housing for the middle class and public schools.

Or, set a limit on homeless funding and say: We’re willing and able to help homeless individuals, but there’s a limit. We’ll do our part, take care of the thousands we can reach.

But at a certain point, we’re going to have to say it out loud: We’re sorry, we cannot be the homeless provider for the rest of the country.



http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...or-nation-s-homeless-8344436.php?t=c75b671d43

So after they say they can not be the homeless provider for the rest of the country, what then? California's weather is more accommodating to people who can not afford housing or who because of mental illness just choose to be homeless, how are they going to stop the influx?

It seems it would be just as costly to fine, try and jail them!
 
So after they say they can not be the homeless provider for the rest of the country, what then? California's weather is more accommodating to people who can not afford housing or who because of mental illness just choose to be homeless, how are they going to stop the influx?

It seems it would be just as costly to fine, try and jail them!

Yeah I think that's a big part of it.
 
http://www.apartments.com/san-francisco-ca/

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I would be homeless too, living San Francisco?
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And we are talking about trillionaires may be coming too?!!

 
So this raises a couple of questions for me

1) Are we talking about existing San Francisco citizens who have become homeless?

or

2) Is San Francisco attracting homeless from other places

What is interesting is seeing that San Fran is paying $33,000 per homeless person. I mean they could just give them monthly checks right?

I am sure that there will be tons of compassion from the JPP demalquedacrats calling for more taxes on the rich and then said demalquedacrats will slink away with a sense of accomplishment and self assuredness that they are indeed good and caring people

I think we have a combination of both the situations you mention. We actually used to give the homeless monthly checks but as you can imagine much of it ended up spent on alcohol and booze so they switched to a "care not cash" model under Gavin Newsom where they got credit for various services they could use.

There's always going to be homeless as people's life situations are fluid and bad sh*t happens even to good people. We have a lot of the mentally ill long time homeless that are a big problem and ultimately end up costing the most.

We also have a number of homeless "advocates" who fight to get more money from the City that go to themselves. So there is a hustle in that.
 
So after they say they can not be the homeless provider for the rest of the country, what then? California's weather is more accommodating to people who can not afford housing or who because of mental illness just choose to be homeless, how are they going to stop the influx?

It seems it would be just as costly to fine, try and jail them!

So we need to raise our taxes in SF to deal with the nation's homeless problem? F that. One way to stop the influx is not to make it economically advantageous for homeless to come here. Most homeless aren't dumb. They know where they can get the best benefits.
 
give them their checks and leave them alone in terms of cops rousting them. we have "camps" herein florida in the woods-
and the homeless try to build shelter..and damn if the cops don't raid them.. why? Because it's a crime being homeless.
how screwed up is that?

The other thing urban areas are doing is giving gree housing ( apartments) to those who will work and keep the place upkept.
It's impossible to become a productive citizen without a residence -not even temporary shelters can do it long term

Give them a hand up and a hand out. There but for the grace of God goes anyone
 
There is a real problem in Hawaii as well.. I was talking to a an old neighbor that moved there but hates it & is moving back & that is one of the main reasons...

Most of them have issues that can't be easily addressed & w/out mental health available I am very cynical much can be done long term..

I grew up not far from SF, down in San Jose & when we were kids we would go down town & throw rocks @ "the bums"...

I always thought it was a choice they made but since then I have come to realize for most it isn't a choice..

We have a local homeless guy here that I have known for over 20 years & occasionally I would help him out a bit so we would chat.. He is in his late fifties & having several health issues & was coming to realize he was gonna die soon if he didn't start changing... SO he had the op & took it..

He had detox, clean-up & a roof over his head & then stayed w/ a friend till he could get to the half-way house where he was prepared for a couple different jobs which didn't work out-causing him to be frustrated, not get along w/ room mate, the house lady in charge etc etc etc... Well you can see where it was going & after much effort, money, prayers & personal time etc etc etc he walks out..........

I have seen him a few times since but he was trying to avoid me so I didn't wanna push him.. I hope one day he will be ready again but it is quite costly & given the millions on the street I am not very optimistic.. Hell even w/ Vets, & there are many homeless can't get enough help or enough to help themselves.......
 
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