Trump Wins! Brits Take Country Back! Hillary Loses!
- Thread starter philly rabbit
- Start date
Oh Lord Bill.
please read my Libya thread on DCJ. Or the State dept "tic toc on Libya" memo..or the the NYTimes article I just linked for you
What it boiled down to was Obama was "50-50" ( per Gates) for the bombing of Qaddafi ( not the no fly)
Clinton came back from Paris after meeting the NTC's Jibril with a promise of "Libyan democracy"
( which she still clings to this day -see her book "Smart Power" as her reasoning destroying Libya was justified -
which is a neocon explanation)
in the WH NSC Meetings Rice and Clinton - and a lessor extent Powers) agitated; and again (per Gates)
"Clinton was the deciding voice -the 51% -that swung Obama to full scale war"
I could go on..."we came we saw he died"..hopefully you get Clinton is a neocon.
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Trump ison a learning curve -at least he's moderated the "Muslim ban" to "terrorist states (sic)-
and he's more of a nationalist "America first" type.
But his misunderstanding of the need for NAT) at all cost, and nuclear weaponization is worrying.
Which is why i'm waiting unlike everybody else who has to jump the shark to see if he gets a better understanding
If not -at this point in time I'd have to go 3rd party again
https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRC_Email_1_296/HRCH1/DOC_0C05739752/C05739752.pdf
From: Jake Sullivan
Sant: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Mills, Cheryl D; Nuiand, Victoria J
Subject: tidc todc on libya
this is basically off the top of my head, with a few consultations of my notes. but it shows S'clinton
leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country's libya policy from start to finish, let me know what you
think. toria, who else might be able to add to this?
Secretary Clinton's leadership on Libya
HRC has been a critical voice on Libya in administration deliberations, at NATO, and in contact group
meetings — as well as the public face of the U.S. effort in Libya. She was instrumental in securing the
authorization, building the coalition, and tightening the noose around Qadhafi and his regime.
philly rabbit
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Now you've got me mixed up with your Vietnam era grand father husband. Who hates it when you take your love to a feminist seminar and hit on latte sipping, cheese nibbling, man hating, like minded queers such as yourself.
Will one of you ladies in the forum kindly begin an exchange with Rana so she can show everybody her true inner self without trolling?
I have followed your thread since it's inception @ the old site........ I agree w/ some of it, some not so much but always a good/interesting read..
Neo-cons??? They are all Neo-cons, it's a given...
Its alright you toothless wonder, someone will be along to change those whitey thighties for ya in a couple of days.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
There are stupid people everywhere, the US doesn't have a monopoly. I am English so please don't talk bollocks.
Yes, his degree in chemistry deducted that leaving the EU was the best thing for Queen and country.
philly rabbit
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The purpose of Rana's trolling and the vermin who thanked her is to shut down free speech and opposing views and divert the topic making the messenger the topic target. This is a strategy that is designed to silence views that they hate. It wont happen.
philly rabbit
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War only for america to win. No prolonged wars with political settlements as the goal.
European countries defending themselves and paying for it out of their GDP economies.
I wonder what there is to disagree with -
the latter sources of the NYTimes and the FOIA request came out because of the Clinton Emails release.
They completely back up what was said from the beginning; in fact they show a bigger role for Hillary.
Don't forget the "Viagra rape" crap she espoused too - that was Rice also, but Clinton is the chief architect world wide
as well as the chief US advocate. It's indisputable, and now we have her own Emails to back that up.
Glad you like the thread-it's out grown anything I first dreamed of when I saw this (2014) civil war coming
oh. and they are all NOT neocons. Obama at least has some qualms about driving into the middle of civil wars.
He's a reactionary too,but at least has some caution
Trump seems to be more isolationist -but that's not a hard ideal, mostly because of his nationalism,
Why does this matter?
Because Clinton is gaining the presidency, and she is the consistent neo-con
He's a reactionary too,but at least has some caution
Trump seems to be more isolationist -but that's not a hard ideal, mostly because of his nationalism,
Why does this matter?
Because Clinton is gaining the presidency, and she is the consistent neo-con
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Which is mystifying, given the decades long handwringing from the left over neo-cons.
The anti-war left is still solid, it's the Democrats who are so craven
they will abandon their basic principles to put a known screw up neocon into Office.
They are a bunch of "see no evil monkeys"- the same as they won't hold Clinton's lies to the fire on her Emails dissemblings
It's like Warren campaigning for Clinton - blind partisanship causes abandonment of ideals. sickening.
At least Bernie has stayed on the sidelines; whatever one thinks of his agenda, he's dedicated to it.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
I don't agree with a lot of Bernie's principles but he does stay true to them. The problem is, how can he endorse Hillary and stay true to his principles. Hillary is an incompetent, socially liberal neoconservative...owned by Wall Street and probably some foreign governments, just to top it off.
I don't see how Bernie can swallow the neo-con Wall Street bit by endorsing Hillary. And I don't see how his followers can vote for her in the general.
MAGA MAN
Let's go Brandon!
Obviously, he isn't adhering to his principles.
Bernie has been careful not to endorse her. as to the sanders voters there a many who won't vote for her too,
But the 2 party system makes for weird results
Darth Omar
Russian asset
I think Bernie said he'd 'probably' endorse Hillary lol.
Sort of like 'I'll probably cut grass tomorrow'. Then again, I may say screw it and go fishing.
It's called leaving yourself an out.
true. it's semantics -and the pressure to endorse is staggering.
if he wants to play in the party he'd have to endorse-but he's still Independent unless he wants a bigger Democratic role.
Sidebar: I seriously hate our political electoral system , and that was a main reason why myself ( and many Bernie supporters)
went for Bernie. Besides the progressives I mean. That political revolution was oh so close!