Seven lies about welfare

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Angry Americans have a lot to say about welfare. Some of it’s questionable, most of it’s derogatory, and almost all of it is incorrect.

Myth #1: Welfare Payments Are Too High - In reality, welfare benefits are modest at best, despite the continual attacks by conservative politicians who try, year after year, to reduce them.

Myth #2: Welfare Recipients Are Lazy - Most benefit programs require recipients to work in order to collect. ...half of all food stamp recipients are children. More than 82% of all food stamp money goes to households that include children, elderly people, or people with disabilities.These are people who legally or physically cannot work and live at the mercy of the system.

Myth #3: Undocumented Immigrants Are All on Welfare - Nope. Absolutely not. In fact, undocumented immigrants in the US are not eligible for any benefits except emergency Medicaid (in the case that they are severely injured or sick).

Myth #4: People Use Welfare to Support Their Drug Habits - Federal government research tells us that the population of welfare receivers on drugs is basically the same as that of the American population in general—in some cases, even lower.

Myth #5: The ‘Welfare Queen Is Hoodwinking Us All - Oh, and she’s obviously Black. Although Reagan didn’t specifically mention her race, he played upon white America’s racial fears to ensure that people assumed she was Black.There’s just one catch. She doesn’t exist. Good old President Reagan made her up.

Myth #6: Welfare Is Not Effective - Government assistance is extremely effective at helping people get out of—and stay out of—poverty. Every year, Census Bureau data proves that welfare programs are instrumental in helping people get back on their feet—and quickly.

Myth #7: You’ll Never Need Welfare - Welfare, in some form, touches most people at some point during their life. No one can truthfully know that life will not throw them a curveball that severely impacts their financial situation. It’s crucial to understand that many of the welfare recipients people pity—or disdain—started out in a much more stable position.

http://groundswell.org/7-lies-about-welfare-that-many-people-believe-are-fact/
 
""Government assistance is extremely effective at helping people get out of—and stay out of—poverty.

Conservative groups like the Cato Institute try to convince the public that because of increasing demand for programs such as food stamps, welfare has failed.""


It seems this Everyday Feminist doesn't know the difference between Conservatism and Libertarianism.

No, the gov't programs are not extremely effective at keeping people out of poverty. There have been multiple studies done on poverty in America over the past 50 years but the programs being extremely effective has not been one of the findings.

So it's interesting this writer decides to call people angry, claim they are lying and incorrect and then proceed to lie herself.
 
christiefan915 said:
I saw that in the other thread and that's why I posted this.
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And you believe it because you're a gullible fool...


Why is it that Illegal Aliens Get Free Food Stamps, Health Insurance and Pay No Taxes?
WrittenJames Hirbyand Fact Checked by The Law Dictionary Staff

Americans who are struggling to survive due to high unemployment and low wages may be asking why illegal aliens receive benefits from state and federal governments. Federal law does prevent illegal aliens from receiving benefits meant for American citizens. The only benefit that illegal aliens are allowed is emergency medical care.

Just because illegal aliens are not legally entitled to these benefits does not mean they do not apply for them. Yes. It is true that illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability, public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state and federal agencies.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, at least one third of foreign born citizens in the United States are illegal aliens. Since children born in the United States are considered U.S. Citizens, it becomes complicated when illegal aliens then bear children who are U.S. Citizens.

If the U.S. government sent the parents of these children away, we would be separating families. Now that these families have given birth to U.S. citizens, the families are eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps. Benefits such as these are for low income families. Illegal aliens often work in low paying jobs so they now qualify for benefits.

Law Dictionary: Why is it that Illegal Aliens Get Free Food Stamps, Health Insurance and Pay No Taxes?
http://thelawdictionary.org/article...ood-stamps-health-insurance-and-pay-no-taxes/
 
The WELFARE QUEEN MYTH ?

“In Chicago, they found a woman who holds the record,” the former California governor declared at a campaign rally in January 1976. “She used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps, Social Security, veterans’ benefits for four nonexistent deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year.” As soon as he quoted that dollar amount, the crowd gasped.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._made_her_ a_notorious_american_villain.html


If you think it don't happen today, you're a gullible idiot.

 
Myth #8: Lazy, drunk transients on skid row are eating taxpayer money alive- Many of the mentally challenged used to be treated in state hospitals. Ronald Reagan changed all that by throwing them all onto the streets, which was penny-wise and pound-foolish. They are crazy, not lazy. Well, there always are going to be a few lazys, but come on, are we better off subsidizing big agriculture than making sure that those that fall through the cracks have an option to better themselves? The is no American dream for anyone that has no address and no phone number in order to secure even the most menial of jobs. You don't get welfare checks sent to a cardboard box. Yeah, the panhandlers are a pain when they get aggressive, but there are laws for that. And most homeless charity comes from private sources, like the Salvation Army, if you choose to pray with them. Come on, asshats, try to tolerate those that you vilify. One tenth of our oil subsidies would wipe out most of the disadvantaged problem, making this country greater than it ever has been.
 
BLABO said:
The WELFARE QUEEN MYTH ?

“In Chicago, they found a woman who holds the record,” the former California governor declared at a campaign rally in January 1976. “She used 80 names, 30 addresses, 15 telephone numbers to collect food stamps, Social Security, veterans’ benefits for four nonexistent deceased veteran husbands, as well as welfare. Her tax-free cash income alone has been running $150,000 a year.” As soon as he quoted that dollar amount, the crowd gasped.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._made_her_ a_notorious_american_villain.html


If you think it don't happen today, you're a gullible idiot.

[video=youtube;QrCkK0pCLVI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCkK0pCLVI[video]
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Still desperately relying on welfare lies.
Poor Blabo
 
Welfare is effective ????

"We have just concluded the 5th fiscal year since President Obama took office. During those five years, the federal government has spent a total $3.7 trillion on approximately 80 different means-tested poverty and welfare programs. The common feature of means-tested assistance programs is that they are graduated based on a person’s income and, in contrast to programs like Social Security or Medicare, they are a free benefit and not paid into by the recipient," says the minority side of the Senate Budget Committee.

"The enormous sum spent on means-tested assistance is nearly five times greater than the combined amount spent on NASA, education, and all federal transportation projects over that time. ($3.7 trillion is not even the entire amount spent on federal poverty support, as states contribute more than $200 billion each year to this federal nexus—primarily in the form of free low-income health care.)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/repor...n-on-welfare-over-last-5-years/article/764582

Is it effective or is it obscene

Helping people out of poverty and to stay out of poverty ??? Yet growing each and every year it grows by millions and millions of dollars.....utter bullshit.
 
it's part of the social contract. whiles there are abuses it keeps others literally alive.
We tolerate the abuse for the greater good
 
NOVA said:
Welfare is effective ????

"We have just concluded the 5th fiscal year since President Obama took office. During those five years, the federal government has spent a total $3.7 trillion on approximately 80 different means-tested poverty and welfare programs. The common feature of means-tested assistance programs is that they are graduated based on a person’s income and, in contrast to programs like Social Security or Medicare, they are a free benefit and not paid into by the recipient," says the minority side of the Senate Budget Committee.

"The enormous sum spent on means-tested assistance is nearly five times greater than the combined amount spent on NASA, education, and all federal transportation projects over that time. ($3.7 trillion is not even the entire amount spent on federal poverty support, as states contribute more than $200 billion each year to this federal nexus—primarily in the form of free low-income health care.)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/repor...n-on-welfare-over-last-5-years/article/764582

Is it effective or is it obscene

Helping people out of poverty and to stay out of poverty ??? Yet growing each and every year it grows by millions and millions of dollars.....utter bullshit.
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Usually more benefits are paid out when the country's in a recession so don't even bring Obama into this. He didn't create the bad economy, he inherited it. And try not to be so ignorant about poverty either, nobody's getting assistance forever. Chew on these statistics, hack.

How Long Did People Participate in Programs?

Of people enrolled in Medicaid, 35.6 percent participated between one and 12 months and 35.3 percent participated between 37 and 48 months.
At 38.6 percent, the largest share of SNAP recipients participated between 37 and 48 months.
At 49.4 percent, the largest share of people receiving housing assistance benefits participated between 37 and 48 months.
Of people enrolled in the Supplemental Security Income program, 35.6 percent participated between one and 12 months, while 38.2 percent participated between 37 and 48 months.
At 62.9 percent, the largest share of people participating in TANF participated between one and 12 months.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
 
anatta said:
it's part of the social contract. whiles there are abuses it keeps others literally alive.
We tolerate the abuse for the greater good
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I'll only speak for myself here but I'm in no way saying or implying that we shouldn't have a social safety net. We don't want to see starving people dying on our streets. That's not what we're about. And people hit rough points in their life and need help and we should help them.

The debate comes over the amount spent and its effectiveness.
 
NOVA said:
And you believe it because you're a gullible fool...

Why is it that Illegal Aliens Get Free Food Stamps, Health Insurance and Pay No Taxes?
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Speaking of gullible fools, NOVA, you just happen to be one. Yes, some undocumented workers are getting food stamps, and even a limited amount of welfare, conditioned on many requirements and stipulations. But you are an asshat if you think that they don't pay taxes. Really? There is no sales tax in any state that they work in? There is no medicare, suta, futa, property taxes included in their rent, licensing fees, gasoline, alcohol, and tabacco taxes, social security, or state and federal income tax deducted from their paycheck? What? They are magical humans, not subject to taxes? And do they collect social security, suta, futa, or even income tax rebates? Do they receive social security benefits without 30 years of established SS payments? Really? As an undocumented worker, they are simply bleeding us with their greed for government handouts? You are not only a fool, but a complete nincompoop. They grow our economy with productivity, and fund our government with their share of fees, taxes, and innumerable other contributions that they seldom benefit from.

The only thing you have to bitch about, really, is that we give them emergency health care, if they wait for six hours in an ER. And we give their children free education. Now, if you had mentioned that, it would be an actual cost of immigrants. But no, you are an asshat, and you want to make up total bullshit.
 
cawacko said:
""Government assistance is extremely effective at helping people get out of—and stay out of—poverty.

Conservative groups like the Cato Institute try to convince the public that because of increasing demand for programs such as food stamps, welfare has failed.""

It seems this Everyday Feminist doesn't know the difference between Conservatism and Libertarianism.

No, the gov't programs are not extremely effective at keeping people out of poverty. There have been multiple studies done on poverty in America over the past 50 years but the programs being extremely effective has not been one of the findings.

So it's interesting this writer decides to call people angry, claim they are lying and incorrect and then proceed to lie herself.
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It appears Gingrich and the republicans were the main creators of welfare reform back in the '90s.

"In 1996, after constructing two welfare reform bills that were vetoed by President Clinton,[SUP][18][/SUP] Gingrich and his supporters pushed for the passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA), a bill aimed at substantially reconstructing the welfare system. Introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr., the act gave state governments more autonomy over welfare delivery, while also reducing the federal government's responsibilities.

It started the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program, which placed time limits on welfare assistance and replaced the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children program. Other changes to the welfare system included stricter conditions for food stamps eligibility, reductions in immigrant welfare assistance, and recipient work requirements.[SUP][19][/SUP]

Gingrich and Clinton negotiated the legislation in private meetings. Previously, Clinton had quietly spoken with Senate Majority Whip Trent Lott for months about the bill, but a compromise on a more acceptable bill for the President could not be reached. Gingrich, on the other hand, gave accurate information about his party's vote counts and persuaded the more conservative members of the Republican Party to vote in favor of PRWORA.[SUP][18][/SUP]

President Clinton found the legislation more conservative than he would have preferred; however, having vetoed two earlier welfare proposals from the Republican-majority Congress, it was considered a political risk to veto a third bill during a campaign season with welfare reform as a central theme.[SUP][18][/SUP] As he signed the bill on August 22, 1996, Clinton stated that the act "gives us a chance we haven't had before to break the cycle of dependency that has existed for millions and millions of our fellow citizens, exiling them from the world of work. It gives structure, meaning and dignity to most of our lives".[SUP][20][/SUP]
 
cawacko said:
I'll only speak for myself here but I'm in no way saying or implying that we shouldn't have a social safety net. We don't want to see starving people dying on our streets. That's not what we're about. And people hit rough points in their life and need help and we should help them.

The debate comes over the amount spent and its effectiveness.
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didn't it used to be one had to work to receive food stamps?
I know a gal that has been on welfare for years - I wonder if she could even hold a job. I doubt it.

So what do we do with people who can't/won't support themselves?
 
christiefan915 said:
It appears Gingrich and the republicans were the main creators of welfare reform back in the '.

"In 1996, after constructing two welfare reform bills that were vetoed by President Clinton,[SUP][18][/SUP] Gingrich and his supporters pushed for the passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA), a bill aimed at substantially reconstructing the welfare system. Introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr., the act gave state governments more autonomy over welfare delivery, while also reducing the federal government's responsibilities.

It started the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program, which placed time limits on welfare assistance and replaced the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children program. Other changes to the welfare system included stricter conditions for food stamps eligibility, reductions in immigrant welfare assistance, and recipient work requirements.[SUP][19][/SUP]

Gingrich and Clinton negotiated the legislation in private meetings. Previously, Clinton had quietly spoken with Senate Majority Whip Trent Lott for months about the bill, but a compromise on a more acceptable bill for the President could not be reached. Gingrich, on the other hand, gave accurate information about his party's vote counts and persuaded the more conservative members of the Republican Party to vote in favor of PRWORA.[SUP][18][/SUP]

President Clinton found the legislation more conservative than he would have preferred; however, having vetoed two earlier welfare proposals from the Republican-majority Congress, it was considered a political risk to veto a third bill during a campaign season with welfare reform as a central theme.[SUP][18][/SUP] As he signed the bill on August 22, 1996, Clinton stated that the act "gives us a chance we haven't had before to break the cycle of dependency that has existed for millions and millions of our fellow citizens, exiling them from the world of work. It gives structure, meaning and dignity to most of our lives".[SUP][20][/SUP]
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Yes. This was the bill progressive groups said was going to throw thousands of people onto the street and starve people to death etc. Their dire predictions never came to fruition.
 
anatta said:
didn't it used to be one had to work to receive food stamps?
I know a gal that has been on welfare for years - I wonder if she could even hold a job. I doubt it.

So what do we do with people who can't/won't support themselves?
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Not a lot to go on here. There's a 5-year cap on welfare so I wonder what the woman is actually receiving. Could it be SSI or worker's comp? Does she have a physical or mental disability?
 
cawacko said:
Yes. This was the bill progressive groups said was going to throw thousands of people onto the street and starve people to death etc. Their dire predictions never came to fruition.
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So the people who say welfare is generational will have to explain that comment.
 
christiefan915 said:
So the people who say welfare is generational will have to explain that comment.
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I guess depending on how you want to define it you can have three generations in a family for instance on welfare. Each person may work during certain periods of time but they can each receive benefits. As far as three generations never having a job but receiving welfare the entire time I don't know about that.

Not sure if you are a rap fan or not. In 1992 I believe it was 2Pac wrote a song called Brenda's Got A Baby and it was about a teenager getting pregnant. Deep song actually but one of his lyrics was "Brenda's family didn't care if she had a church of kids, as long as when the check came they got first dibs."

He was talking about a teenage girl growing up in the ghetto and speaking about incentives in the welfare system. The '96 plan was about changing that.
 
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