How the NRA and conservatives have perverted the meaning of the right to bear arms.

Rana said:
I believe fully automated machine guns are illegal to own if made after 1986, they are at least very highly regulated and require licensing to own one.
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So there are none. And the restriction on date does not apply to dealers and I can be one of those if I wish.
 
christiefan915 said:
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The Second Amendment to the Constitution says this: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”


For most of U.S. history, that was understood to mean that the freedom guaranteed by the Second Amendment was precisely what it said: the right of the people of each state to maintain a well-regulated militia.
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If its as you say, its the right of the people of each state to maintain a well-regulated militia, then the federal gov. should have no say in the matter...
it would up to the people of each state.....to have or not have a militia.....

But of course the amendment doesn't just say that....it says only that a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state..it does not say that each state is required to form or maintain a militia, does it....its a statement, not a command....
but is notes that the people in each state can form a militia..AND..to bear arms....


the rest of the amendment is what is pertinent...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”


THAT IS, in no uncertain terms is a direct restriction on the gov....the people have a right to bear arms, AND the gov. shall
make no laws that infringe upon that right.....

The gov. does not give us right....its an inalienable right....duly expressed in the amendment,

Its the same with the first amendment....which doesn't give the people any rights, it only states what the obvious rights of
the people are ....and restricts the gov. from infringing on those rights.....



 
NOVA said:
If its as you say, its the right of the people of each state to maintain a well-regulated militia, then the federal gov. should have no say in the matter...
it would up to the people of each state.....to have or not have a militia.....

But of course the amendment doesn't just say that....it says only that a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state..it does not say that each state is required to form or maintain a militia, does it....its a statement, not a command....
but is notes that the people in each state can form a militia..AND..to bear arms....

the rest of the amendment is what is pertinent...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

THAT IS, in no uncertain terms is a direct restriction on the gov....the people have a right to bear arms, AND the gov. shall
make no laws that infringe upon that right.....

The gov. does not give us right....its an inalienable right....duly expressed in the amendment,

Its the same with the first amendment....which doesn't give the people any rights, it only states what the obvious rights of the people are ....and restricts the gov. from infringing on those rights.....
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The larger fabrication is the idea that the Second Amendment—unlike other provisions of the Constitution—cannot be subject to any reasonable restriction. We have the constitutionally protected right to peaceably assemble, but not to block traffic. We are protected from unreasonable and unwarranted searches, unless there is probable cause, exigent circumstances, or a hot pursuit. If charged with a crime, we have the right to a speedy trial (but not if the prosecution is hunting down witnesses) and also a public one (but not if you want your trial televised). We also have the right to a trial by jury (unless the crime carries a sentences of six months or less).
 
christiefan915 said:


The larger fabrication is the idea that the Second Amendment—unlike other provisions of the Constitution—cannot be subject to any reasonable restriction. We have the constitutionally protected right to peaceably assemble, but not to block traffic. We are protected from unreasonable and unwarranted searches, unless there is probable cause, exigent circumstances, or a hot pursuit. If charged with a crime, we have the right to a speedy trial (but not if the prosecution is hunting down witnesses) and also a public one (but not if you want your trial televised). We also have the right to a trial by jury (unless the crime carries a sentences of six months or less).
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Poor Blabo.
 
christiefan915 said:


The larger fabrication is the idea that the Second Amendment—unlike other provisions of the Constitution—cannot be subject to any reasonable restriction. We have the constitutionally protected right to peaceably assemble, but not to block traffic. We are protected from unreasonable and unwarranted searches, unless there is probable cause, exigent circumstances, or a hot pursuit. If charged with a crime, we have the right to a speedy trial (but not if the prosecution is hunting down witnesses) and also a public one (but not if you want your trial televised). We also have the right to a trial by jury (unless the crime carries a sentences of six months or less).
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True...so whats your point....you have these rights and the restrictions on authorities you point out to guard these rights.....just as the first and second amendment point out.

Every person has rights that the gov. CANNOT take from you unless you violate anothers rights in using them......

Every person can own and bear arms as long as you don't commit crimes with those arms....murder, assault, etc.
Every person has complete freedom of speech unless he uses that speech to commit crimes, .... inciting riot, liable, etc....

The authorities do not have the right to infringe on anyones constitutional right to freedom of speech because some other persons incite riots....
The authorities do not have the right to infringe on anyones constitutional right to bear arms because of others misuse of that right and commit crimes....
 
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