Bill O'Reilly takes stunning stance on guns after Orlando massacre

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that is because people with your mindset has allowed the government to slowly whittle away that right, just like it is this time.

and I would disagree. the founders knew about tech advancements, but their experience taught them that freedom in the hands of the people is necessary, thus being as equally armed as the government is necessary.

all I see you trying to do is take power away from the people and place it in the hands of the government. tell me again how that is not distrusting people more than the government

Like I said, I don't trust the government, at all. But that doesn't equate to thinking that the government will ever take away our ultimate power, that of the vote. That is an extremely remote possibility. Would you characterize another mass shooting that way?

I'll never support arming the populace like the military is armed. I haven't seen any polls on the topic, but I'd be surprised if more than 10% of Americans would support that, and would wager that # would be lower if people were polled.

My take on it is this: if it ever did come to that - again, an extremely remote possibility - I would put a greater probability on many or most of the military joining the people and turning on the government. Obviously, that depends on the circumstances, but these aren't automotons; they're people with families and lives.

 

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Like I said, I don't trust the government, at all. But that doesn't equate to thinking that the government will ever take away our ultimate power, that of the vote. That is an extremely remote possibility. Would you characterize another mass shooting that way?

I'll never support arming the populace like the military is armed. I haven't seen any polls on the topic, but I'd be surprised if more than 10% of Americans would support that, and would wager that # would be lower if people were polled.

My take on it is this: if it ever did come to that - again, an extremely remote possibility - I would put a greater probability on many or most of the military joining the people and turning on the government. Obviously, that depends on the circumstances, but these aren't automotons; they're people with families and lives.

but wouldnt trump be hitler and take away your vote in 4 years :3

Seriously though if trump were able to get more meaningful gun reform passed this election cycle than obama in his 8 years would it change your view of him?

I see a only nixon can go to china situation developing.

 

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but wouldnt trump be hitler and take away your vote in 4 years :3

Seriously though if trump were able to get more meaningful gun reform passed this election cycle than obama in his 8 years would it change your view of him?

I see a only nixon can go to china situation developing.

My view of Trump won't change with one measure or action. He's a narcissist, bully & bigot. He'd have to change - a lot - before my view of him changed.

 

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Is Donald Trump really running for President? I go back and forth on this. At first I thought he was in it for exposure and attention but never thought he could be the nominee. Then I thought somewhere along the way he realized he could win, and decided he wanted to be President. But recent events just really call that into question. He has paid 0 attention to what are now catastrophic polls, he promised the RNC he would make dozens of fund raising calls to high level donors, he made 3 and then stopped, he has nearly no ground game or communications staff. Now Vanity Fair is reporting they have sources saying Trump is considering starting a broadcast mini-empire. That be believes he has a certain level of support, and they are Trump people, and his "brand" (he's all about that brand you know?) is so strong with them, and he wants to figure out a way to monetize it. They say he is pissed that so many media outlets are making big money off the ratings he provides.

So, I really wonder. And just how big of a disaster does the Republican party have on their hands here? If he has pivoted to strengthening the Trump brand with what he calls "Trump people", so he can take that base and make money off of them...what is the party going to do about this? He will likely take the Senate down with him, and who knows how much of the House. Their hair must be on fire, and that's why you see them running from the cameras all over the news.

They been played.

 

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Is Donald Trump really running for President? I go back and forth on this. At first I thought he was in it for exposure and attention but never thought he could be the nominee. Then I thought somewhere along the way he realized he could win, and decided he wanted to be President. But recent events just really call that into question. He has paid 0 attention to what are now catastrophic polls, he promised the RNC he would make dozens of fund raising calls to high level donors, he made 3 and then stopped, he has nearly no ground game or communications staff. Now Vanity Fair is reporting they have sources saying Trump is considering starting a broadcast mini-empire. That be believes he has a certain level of support, and they are Trump people, and his "brand" (he's all about that brand you know?) is so strong with them, and he wants to figure out a way to monetize it. They say he is pissed that so many media outlets are making big money off the ratings he provides.

So, I really wonder. And just how big of a disaster does the Republican party have on their hands here? If he has pivoted to strengthening the Trump brand with what he calls "Trump people", so he can take that base and make money off of them...what is the party going to do about this? He will likely take the Senate down with him, and who knows how much of the House. Their hair must be on fire, and that's why you see them running from the cameras all over the news.

They been played.

the fallout from the 'regulars' in society who have supported is going to be grand entertainment, especially when they were warned that he would reveal his Democrat tendencies and ideology.

 

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Is Donald Trump really running for President? I go back and forth on this. At first I thought he was in it for exposure and attention but never thought he could be the nominee. Then I thought somewhere along the way he realized he could win, and decided he wanted to be President. But recent events just really call that into question. He has paid 0 attention to what are now catastrophic polls, he promised the RNC he would make dozens of fund raising calls to high level donors, he made 3 and then stopped, he has nearly no ground game or communications staff. Now Vanity Fair is reporting they have sources saying Trump is considering starting a broadcast mini-empire. That be believes he has a certain level of support, and they are Trump people, and his "brand" (he's all about that brand you know?) is so strong with them, and he wants to figure out a way to monetize it. They say he is pissed that so many media outlets are making big money off the ratings he provides.

So, I really wonder. And just how big of a disaster does the Republican party have on their hands here? If he has pivoted to strengthening the Trump brand with what he calls "Trump people", so he can take that base and make money off of them...what is the party going to do about this? He will likely take the Senate down with him, and who knows how much of the House. Their hair must be on fire, and that's why you see them running from the cameras all over the news.

They been played.

I saw a story on one of the cable channels a month or 2 back, but it disappeared really fast. It was just a mention of someone who had left his campaign, and given an interview where she said she knew for sure that Trump really didn't enter this thing to become President. He wanted to shake things up and be the center of attention for awhile, but he genuinely thought that he didn't have a chance to actually get the nomination.

Then, when it looked like he was going to get it, he had too much pride to back off, and his resolve was only strengthened by the crowds & support he was getting.

So, yeah - this is a disaster of epic proportions for the GOP. It almost makes you feel a little bad for the DC Republicans, because most didn't want Trump - but they didn't take him seriously until it was too late, so a lot of this is on them. And this couldn't possibly be a worse year for them to have something like this in terms of the Senate; they're just going to get shellacked there.

Even for a lot of the people who supported Trump, I think there is a sense of buyer's remorse. He has had a terrible few weeks, and his promise of becoming "more Presidential" just ain't panning out. I've heard some regrets from people I know who supported him, and from a few on the cable shows.

 

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I saw a story on one of the cable channels a month or 2 back, but it disappeared really fast. It was just a mention of someone who had left his campaign, and given an interview where she said she knew for sure that Trump really didn't enter this thing to become President. He wanted to shake things up and be the center of attention for awhile, but he genuinely thought that he didn't have a chance to actually get the nomination.

Then, when it looked like he was going to get it, he had too much pride to back off, and his resolve was only strengthened by the crowds & support he was getting.

So, yeah - this is a disaster of epic proportions for the GOP. It almost makes you feel a little bad for the DC Republicans, because most didn't want Trump - but they didn't take him seriously until it was too late, so a lot of this is on them. And this couldn't possibly be a worse year for them to have something like this in terms of the Senate; they're just going to get shellacked there.

Even for a lot of the people who supported Trump, I think there is a sense of buyer's remorse. He has had a terrible few weeks, and his promise of becoming "more Presidential" just ain't panning out. I've heard some regrets from people I know who supported him, and from a few on the cable shows.

The people I know who are supporting him (all family members) believe he is going to win in a landslide. I tried asking a family member how they were going to handle it IF he lost. I tried asking twice, and both times he held up his hand and just said, he's not going to. I was actually trying to gently prepare them for it. But they won't hear it. They believe the polls are "phony". Or at least this is what they say.

If he himself knows he can't win a general, and that's why he has not pivoted, then this is quite a scam on the Republican party. Couldn't happen to nicer people, but it's shocking to observe.

 

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Like I said, I don't trust the government, at all. But that doesn't equate to thinking that the government will ever take away our ultimate power, that of the vote. That is an extremely remote possibility. Would you characterize another mass shooting that way?

I'll never support arming the populace like the military is armed. I haven't seen any polls on the topic, but I'd be surprised if more than 10% of Americans would support that, and would wager that # would be lower if people were polled.

My take on it is this: if it ever did come to that - again, an extremely remote possibility - I would put a greater probability on many or most of the military joining the people and turning on the government. Obviously, that depends on the circumstances, but these aren't automotons; they're people with families and lives.

Aren't you precious. Did you think the people of Russia thought it was possible Stalin would slaughter them?

 

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The people I know who are supporting him (all family members) believe he is going to win in a landslide. I tried asking a family member how they were going to handle it IF he lost. I tried asking twice, and both times he held up his hand and just said, he's not going to. I was actually trying to gently prepare them for it. But they won't hear it. They believe the polls are "phony". Or at least this is what they say.

If he himself knows he can't win a general, and that's why he has not pivoted, then this is quite a scam on the Republican party. Couldn't happen to nicer people, but it's shocking to observe.

How will you handle it if he wins?

 

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Aren't you precious. Did you think the people of Russia thought it was possible Stalin would slaughter them?

Man, you really love your insanely hyperbolic false comparisons.

 

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Man, you really love your insanely hyperbolic false comparisons.

historically, governments have killed over 100 million of it's own citizens, so how is this hyperbolic OR a false comparison?

 

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historically, governments have killed over 100 million of it's own citizens, so how is this hyperbolic OR a false comparison?

Historically, under governments where those deaths occurred, have any had even a fraction of the checks & balances & protections that America has had?

For the sake of his comment, how did Stalin's Russia compare? Did citizens have a right to vote him out after 4 years, or elect a legislature or parliament to oppose his actions? Was there a constitution in place that limited his authority to do what he did?

It is the most false comparison I could think of. This isn't Stalin's Russia. This is a constitutional, representative democracy, that has worked as such without anyone usurping power for over 230 years.

 

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Historically, under governments where those deaths occurred, have any had even a fraction of the checks & balances & protections that America has had?

For the sake of his comment, how did Stalin's Russia compare? Did citizens have a right to vote him out after 4 years, or elect a legislature or parliament to oppose his actions? Was there a constitution in place that limited his authority to do what he did?

It is the most false comparison I could think of. This isn't Stalin's Russia. This is a constitutional, representative democracy, that has worked as such without anyone usurping power for over 230 years.

dude, look at our own history. do you think government EVER paid for killing people we consider as citizens? excepting lawsuit settlements that is. look at how we handled native americans. the japanese internment. kent state.

come on, it's one thing to maybe downplay incidents as 'not that bad yet', but it's quite another to say it's a false comparison when we've witnessed the government atrocities they've committed.

 

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dude, look at our own history. do you think government EVER paid for killing people we consider as citizens? excepting lawsuit settlements that is. look at how we handled native americans. the japanese internment. kent state.

come on, it's one thing to maybe downplay incidents as 'not that bad yet', but it's quite another to say it's a false comparison when we've witnessed the government atrocities they've committed.

You're talking about a comparison on the most broad level possible. None of it rises to even a fraction of what was experienced in Russia under Stalin.

The people of Russia had no option to remove Stalin, and no option to elect others to oppose him. That was a classic dictatorship. Am I saying that could never happen here? No, but I think the possibility of it is exceedingly remote.

 

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You're talking about a comparison on the most broad level possible. None of it rises to even a fraction of what was experienced in Russia under Stalin.

The people of Russia had no option to remove Stalin, and no option to elect others to oppose him. That was a classic dictatorship. Am I saying that could never happen here? No, but I think the possibility of it is exceedingly remote.

it might be exceedingly remote, but even the slightest chance is too much, don't you think?

 

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it might be exceedingly remote, but even the slightest chance is too much, don't you think?

Like I said, I'm weighing it against the near 100% probability of more mass shootings. I'd rather act to try to prevent those, than prepare for something that is a very small possibility.

 

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Like I said, I'm weighing it against the near 100% probability of more mass shootings. I'd rather act to try to prevent those, than prepare for something that is a very small possibility.

we can recover from mass shootings. we could never recover having our freedom and nation taken away from us, or is that something you can't envision?

 

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we can recover from mass shootings. we could never recover having our freedom and nation taken away from us, or is that something you can't envision?

The people who are shot can't recover.

We have different priorities & assessments on things. I don't disrespect yours, but right now, I'd rather we work on trying to stop people from being killed.

I do have a hard time envisioning our freedom & nation being taken away. I think there are circumstances where that can happen, but they're circumstances where we'd be kind of screwed anyway.

 

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Man, you really love your insanely hyperbolic false comparisons.

Why is it a false comparison?

Did people think that it was possible for 9-11 to happen?

Given that history is filled with government tyranny over its people I don't think it is a stretch to believe it could happen here.

The federal and state governments have already taken many rights and encroached on many freedoms.

I am sure that the gays attending Pulse didn't think that a muslime would come in and shoot yo the joint. But it did happen.

Whenever you lefties can't answer difficult questions you run and hide

 

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Like I said, I'm weighing it against the near 100% probability of more mass shootings. I'd rather act to try to prevent those, than prepare for something that is a very small possibility.

So you think gun control will solve the problem? The no fly list deal will solve the problem?

How many people on terror watch list have legally bought guns and used them to kill Americans. This is a problem you lefties seem keen to solve. So surely you have statistics you can share?

I will understand if you don't.