Muhammad Ali Was No Draft Dodger; His Stance Against War Was Libertarian

Establishment said:
That still doesn't sound like a religious objection on his part.
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it should be made clear that there is a big difference between a conscientious objector and refusing the draft. Conscientious objectors still serve in non-combat roles but they still serve.

Ali, for principled reasons, refused to serve, period. Ali, in the legal sense, was not a conscientious objector. Ali could have just as easily, he certainly had the resources, entered some college and recieved a deferment. He did not avail himself of that and other deferment opportunities that existed for people with money.

By not availing himself of those opportunities he not only paid a high price but he also glaringly illustrated to the public the social inequity and staggering hypocrisy of the Vieatnam War in that it was a rich mans war but a poor mans fight.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
it should be made clear that there is a big difference between a conscientious objector and refusing the draft. Conscientious objectors still serve in non-combat roles but they still serve.

Ali, for principled reasons, refused to serve, period. Ali, in the legal sense, was not a conscientious objector. Ali could have just as easily, he certainly had the resources, entered some college and recieved a deferment. He did not avail himself of that and other deferment opportunities that existed for people with money.

By not availing himself of those opportunities he not only paid a high price but he also glaringly illustrated to the public the social inequity and staggering hypocrisy of the Vieatnam War in that it was a rich mans war but a poor mans fight.
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Well said Mott.
 
Legion Troll said:
Nott is incorrect when he states that "Conscientious objectors still serve in non-combat roles but they still serve."

This is not always the case.
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Iwas agreeing with Mott's last sentence more than anything, Ali showed that the rich decided that the poor would die in their war.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
it should be made clear that there is a big difference between a conscientious objector and refusing the draft. Conscientious objectors still serve in non-combat roles but they still serve.

Ali, for principled reasons, refused to serve, period. Ali, in the legal sense, was not a conscientious objector. Ali could have just as easily, he certainly had the resources, entered some college and recieved a deferment. He did not avail himself of that and other deferment opportunities that existed for people with money.

By not availing himself of those opportunities he not only paid a high price but he also glaringly illustrated to the public the social inequity and staggering hypocrisy of the Vieatnam War in that it was a rich mans war but a poor mans fight.
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I would beseech every American to go to somewhere like Saigon and then tell me what you think!!
 
Legion Troll said:
Nott is incorrect when he states that "Conscientious objectors still serve in non-combat roles but they still serve."

This is not always the case.
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Many, if not most, served in non-millatary public service. A friend of my family, who died in Vietnam, was drafted as a conscientious objector but refused to carry arms and served as a medic. So don't tell me they didn't serve in non-combat roles.

Which is beside the point. Ali was not technically a conscientious objector as his petition was declined. Ali's status was later reversed by SCOTUS but at that time he refused the draft he did not have conscientious objector status.
 
The Death of Muhammad Ali Brings Out the Trolls

To the surprise of no one, the tragic death of boxing icon Muhammad Ali brought out the ugly side in some people who faulted him for everything, including his religion, his stance against the Vietnam War and his outspokenness about social issues.

Once the world’s greatest and best known athlete, Ali was never one to hold back when he had an opinion, speaking his mind during the Civil Rights movement and in opposition to the war in Vietnam when he refused induction into the service.

Ali famously stated his case when he told the press, “My conscience won’t let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America. And shoot them for what? They never called me nigger, they never lynched me, they didn’t put no dogs on me, they didn’t rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. … Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail.”

The former Cassius Clay also baffled the American public when he converted to Islam at a time when it was more of a curiosity than a racist dog whistle for political demagogues looking for votes by inciting bigotry.

Naturally all of these came into play for people who used used his death to to attack him hours after he died.

By Tom Boggioni
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Legion Troll said:
Trump was rich while the war in Vietnam raged, wasn't he?
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When classed 1A he magically developed a bone spur for a medical deferment though he can't remember which foot hurt him so bad that he couldn't serve.
Millionaire Fred found his Donny a doctor who made his son's case no doubt.
Though he could have afforded it easily, Ali was far too principled to take that coward's route. He stood to lose everything for what he believed.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Many, if not most, served in non-millatary public service. A friend of my family, who died in Vietnam, was drafted as a conscientious objector but refused to carry arms and served as a medic. So don't tell me they didn't serve in non-combat roles.

Which is beside the point. Ali was not technically a conscientious objector as his petition was declined. Ali's status was later reversed by SCOTUS but at that time he refused the draft he did not have conscientious objector status.
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Holy fuck, why do engage the Trollop?
 
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