Unexpected rise in violent crime in cities

Celticguy said:
WIRE: CITIES SEE UNEXPLAINED RISE IN VIOLENT CRIMES THIS YEAR... http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-05-15-23-50


How can this possibly be unexpected ?

You start shipping 3rd world trash here in bulk and violent crime goes up... of course it goes up. It went up in Europe too.

This could not have been more expected.
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Actually this has been written about a lot and has been referred to as the Ferguson Effect and how police are policing our cities. I haven't seen any correlation to illegals.
 
Crime had been declining here. I've seen no shor tag of coverage of this scum raping murdering stealing etc.

I was mainly surprised to see that anyone could find it unexpected.
 
Celticguy said:
Crime had been declining here. I've seen no shor tag of coverage of this scum raping murdering stealing etc.

I was mainly surprised to see that anyone could find it unexpected.
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Crime is always going to get covered because (from a media perspective) it draws viewers. But violent crime has been decreasing in country for quite some time. We're all familiar with New York and it's 3,000 murders in 1990 which fell to several hundred within the past couple of years. Of course all eyes are on NYC as they pull back from the Broken Windows strategy which led it to becoming the safest big city in our country.

What we've seen is police officers pulling back for fear of getting caught on camera doing something bad or fear of being called racist. That's the general idea of the 'Ferguson Effect'.
 
cawacko said:
Crime is always going to get covered because (from a media perspective) it draws viewers. But violent crime has been decreasing in country for quite some time. We're all familiar with New York and it's 3,000 murders in 1990 which fell to several hundred within the past couple of years. Of course all eyes are on NYC as they pull back from the Broken Windows strategy which led it to becoming the safest big city in our country.

What we've seen is police officers pulling back for fear of getting caught on camera doing something bad or fear of being called racist. That's the general idea of the 'Ferguson Effect'.
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Police take reports of crimes, they do not fight it.
They are taking more reports because the illegals swarming across the borders have little choice but crime once here. Unskilked, don't speak the language.
 
The data paints a varied picture: some cities have experienced a slight rise in murders, others have seen declines, while nearly a dozen metropolitan areas–including Chicago, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Memphis, Nashville, and San Antonio–have had sizable increases.

Read more: What’s Behind Baltimore’s Record-Setting Rise in Homicides

The report comes two days after FBI Director James Comey linked the recent increase in crime to the so-called “Ferguson effect,” a theory that law enforcement has been less aggressive because of concerns about being recorded and potentially charged with a crime. There is no evidence showing that such thinking is to blame for the recent uptick in murders. Still, criminologists have yet to determine whether the homicide spikes are short-term increases after decades of falling crime levels or if if this is the beginning of a new, larger trend.
http://time.com/4329688/murder-rate-u-s-cities-increase-2016/
 
Celticguy said:
Police take reports of crimes, they do not fight it.
They are taking more reports because the illegals swarming across the borders have little choice but crime once here. Unskilked, don't speak the language.
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Dude, come on my man. I say this with all due respect but that is a poor argument.
 
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anatta said:
The data paints a varied picture: some cities have experienced a slight rise in murders, others have seen declines, while nearly a dozen metropolitan areas–including Chicago, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Memphis, Nashville, and San Antonio–have had sizable increases.

Read more: What’s Behind Baltimore’s Record-Setting Rise in Homicides

The report comes two days after FBI Director James Comey linked the recent increase in crime to the so-called “Ferguson effect,” a theory that law enforcement has been less aggressive because of concerns about being recorded and potentially charged with a crime. There is no evidence showing that such thinking is to blame for the recent uptick in murders. Still, criminologists have yet to determine whether the homicide spikes are short-term increases after decades of falling crime levels or if if this is the beginning of a new, larger trend.
http://time.com/4329688/murder-rate-u-s-cities-increase-2016/
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I'll conjecture that lack of evidence could be misleading. How many cops are going to admit their apprehension?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I'll conjecture that lack of evidence could be misleading. How many cops are going to admit their apprehension?
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could be.
Take Baltimore which I am familiar with and keep up with -the cops went on a work slowdown where they wern't pro-active
but would answer calls. This was after the indictments for the Freddie Grey death.

Illegals though had little to do with it. But it's possible towns more closer to the border do.
 
anatta said:
could be.
Take Baltimore which I am familiar with and keep up with -the cops went on a work slowdown where they wern't pro-active
but would answer calls. This was after the indictments for the Freddie Grey death.

Illegals though had little to do with it. But it's possible towns more closer to the border do.
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They're being dispersed by uncle sam. Not just border states any more.
 
cawacko said:
Actually this has been written about a lot and has been referred to as the Ferguson Effect and how police are policing our cities. I haven't seen any correlation to illegals.
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so if the Ferguson effect means the statistics are up only because of increased police attention, what did they do with the dead bodies that were there before the police started paying attention?.......
 
cawacko said:
Not following
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for example Chicago had 66 more dead bodies lying in the streets as of June versus June of 2015.........how the police investigate and capture murderers after Fergusen has no effect on the number of dead, only on the number of arrests.......therefore to claim it has an impact on murders you have to explain why there are more bodies laying around than normal.....Ferguson doesn't explain it.....

a more logical explanation is that the Mexican cartels are trying to take over distribution as well as supply, resulting in drug wars between the blacks and Latinos.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
for example Chicago had 66 more dead bodies lying in the streets as of June versus June of 2015.........how the police investigate and capture murderers after Fergusen has no effect on the number of dead, only on the number of arrests.......therefore to claim it has an impact on murders you have to explain why there are more bodies laying around than normal.....Ferguson doesn't explain it.....

a more logical explanation is that the Mexican cartels are trying to take over distribution as well as supply, resulting in drug wars between the blacks and Latinos.....
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I posted Heather McDonald's argument for how the police are doing their jobs differently post Ferguson. The Ferguson Effect is not about how police do their work after murders are committed. It's about less enforcement prior which, the argument goes, allows criminals to feel more brazen and thus more murders occurring.
 
cawacko said:
I posted Heather McDonald's argument for how the police are doing their jobs differently post Ferguson. The Ferguson Effect is not about how police do their work after murders are committed. It's about less enforcement prior which, the argument goes, allows criminals to feel more brazen and thus more murders occurring.
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hard to explain why murders were up even before Ferguson, isn't it?.....
 
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