Hillary And Bernie, Together At Last!

[philly rabbit]

Friends, I do not believe for a second that the Hillary - Sanders primary fight was anything of the sort. This was pure B.S. between the socialist and the socialist. This was a staged primary fight in order to make it look like Hillary had to really fight in order to get the nomination. Hillary had this thing locked up since day one and everybody in the DEM party knew it including Bernie.

I also look for Hillary to choose Bernie as her VP running mate. Hillary has been sinking in the polls while Trump has been rising and right now, they're both running neck and neck nationwide. Hillary needs as many Bernie supporters that she can get her hands on.

It's all been staged and Bernie whining about the millions Hillary gets from Wall Street for her campaign will soon be forgotten about.

Hillary and Bernie. Don't be surprised if what I tell you doesn't come true no later than the Dem convention.

 

[Dale]

Friends, I do not believe for a second that the Hillary - Sanders primary fight was anything of the sort. This was pure B.S. between the socialist and the socialist. This was a staged primary fight in order to make it look like Hillary had to really fight in order to get the nomination. Hillary had this thing locked up since day one and everybody in the DEM party knew it including Bernie.

I also look for Hillary to choose Bernie as her VP running mate. Hillary has been sinking in the polls while Trump has been rising and right now, they're both running neck and neck nationwide. Hillary needs as many Bernie supporters that she can get her hands on.

It's all been staged and Bernie whining about the millions Hillary gets from Wall Street for her campaign will soon be forgotten about.

Hillary and Bernie. Don't be surprised if what I tell you doesn't come true no later than the Dem convention.

See no evidence that Mrs. Clinton is a socialist.

She's more in tune with her husband economically (who she has already said she is going to put in charge of the economy). In short: she's a global capitalists who wants to prey on disenfranchised workers around the world to enrich her allies.

Besides, do you really think if she was a socialist Wall Street would be giving her so much money? Even the Koch Brothers are thinking of supporting her since Trump is their alternative.

Mrs. Clinton is a lot of things - but not a socialist. A corrupt corporate hack is the better description. She used to sit on the board of Wal Mart for crying out loud.

 

[anatta]

Bernie supporters hate her..her wall st speeches, her slimey campaign mannerisms, her ties to the oligarchs, her incrementalism when there is a chance for change...
She's rightly loathed.. 1/3 of Bernie bros now say they will not support her

 

[philly rabbit]

See no evidence that Mrs. Clinton is a socialist.

She's more in tune with her husband economically (who she has already said she is going to put in charge of the economy). In short: she's a global capitalists who wants to prey on disenfranchised workers around the world to enrich her allies.

Besides, do you really think if she was a socialist Wall Street would be giving her so much money? Even the Koch Brothers are thinking of supporting her since Trump is their alternative.

Mrs. Clinton is a lot of things - but not a socialist. A corrupt corporate hack is the better description. She used to sit on the board of Wal Mart for crying out loud.

Are you trying to tell me that a transformed Marxist in college who tried to take over the healthcare industry in the nineties and who supported eventual single payer healthcare and who's a member of a party that is Democratic socialist isn't a socialist?

Her biggest ally is Elizabeth Warren. Hillary opposes the second amendment and wants confiscation of all privately owned firearms. She's only too far right by Bernie's terms because her Dem party has formed an alliance with big business but that doesn't mean that she doesn't support wealth redistribution.

 

[philly rabbit]

Bernie supporters hate her..her wall st speeches, her slimey campaign mannerisms, her ties to the oligarchs, her incrementalism when there is a chance for change...
She's rightly loathed.. 1/3 of Bernie bros now say they will not support her

When you think about this, the OP makes perfect sense. The brunt of Bernie's supporters wont support Hillary but they will if Bernie is on the ticket.

 

[Phantasmal]

Bernie supporters hate her..her wall st speeches, her slimey campaign mannerisms, her ties to the oligarchs, her incrementalism when there is a chance for change...
She's rightly loathed.. 1/3 of Bernie bros now say they will not support her

So, she could still garner the support of 2/3rds, than not everyone hates her.

 

[Phantasmal]

When you think about this, the OP makes perfect sense. The brunt of Bernie's supporters wont support Hillary but they will if Bernie is on the ticket.

This is Dixie type math! Lol

if 1/3rd won't vote for her, then 2/3rds will, which is the larger number?

 

[evince]

the republicans hate democracy

 

[Jarod]

If the Republicans can come together and support so quickly Dangerous Donald after his primary... I am sure the Democrats will do the same for HRC.

 

[Celticguy]

While I would love for this to be true (it would blow up in HRCs face), it just isnt.
And if the dems are willing to go to jail and generally act stupid with "protests" then anything is possible. Except for coming together. The dems created a monster with their blind divisiveness that will be chewing on their butt for years to come.

 

[Dale]

Are you trying to tell me that a transformed Marxist in college who tried to take over the healthcare industry in the nineties and who supported eventual single payer healthcare and who's a member of a party that is Democratic socialist isn't a socialist?

Her biggest ally is Elizabeth Warren. Hillary opposes the second amendment and wants confiscation of all privately owned firearms. She's only too far right by Bernie's terms because her Dem party has formed an alliance with big business but that doesn't mean that she doesn't support wealth redistribution.

Socialists do not sit on the board of Wal Mart and fiercely promote and advocate for global capitalism. Mrs. Clinton and Obama both have received more money from Wall Street than any other politician in history.

They may pretend they support certain policies like Universal Healthcare (which isn't socialism btw). But what did President Obama do when he got to the White House? Did he push for Universal healthcare? No. Instead he did the opposite - and created a system that forces everyone to become the customer of the insurance companies or face a tax. They basically let the insurance companies write our healthcare laws, just as they let them write our trade laws.

Mrs. Clinton is not a socialist. She's a corrupt corporate advocate and global capitalist. And her allies on Wall Street know it.

I do agree with you that she is a activist on the second amendment and wishes to do away with our individual right to bear arms. On that we agree. But again - what does that have to do with socialism?

 

[Dale]

If the Republicans can come together and support so quickly Dangerous Donald after his primary... I am sure the Democrats will do the same for HRC.

I doubt it.

The Republicans who supported Cruz and their differences with Mr. Trump are over small things like personality and tone. They agree with him on policy - especially his economic policy - which will be the defining issue this campaign.

The problem with Mrs. Clinton when it comes to Sander's supporters is they do not agree with one another on policy. So I don't really see how they can rectify that. Why vote for someone if they are not going to enact the kind of policies you want to see happen?

 

[Phantasmal]

I doubt it.

The Republicans who supported Cruz and their differences with Mr. Trump are over small things like personality and tone. They agree with him on policy - especially his economic policy - which will be the defining issue this campaign.

The problem with Mrs. Clinton when it comes to Sander's supporters is they do not agree with one another on policy. So I don't really see how they can rectify that. Why vote for someone if they are not going to enact the kind of policies you want to see happen?

You are so wrong, Trump's policies are what divide them and will continue to divide them. Jeebus, we have many posters who suffer from the Dunning Kruger Effect on this forum.

 

[Dale]

You are so wrong, Trump's policies are what divide them and will continue to divide them. Jeebus, we have many posters who suffer from the Dunning Kruger Effect on this forum.

I'm afraid not, which is why your post lacks any details articulating the difference in policies.

Both Cruz and Trump were very similar on policy actually - and the Republican base is largely united on that front. I don't know who you think is suffering from some weird Kruger Effect but it certainly isn't I.

 

[Phantasmal]

I'm afraid not, which is why your post lacks any details articulating the difference in policies.

Both Cruz and Trump were very similar on policy actually - and the Republican base is largely united on that front.

Nukes to Japan and Korea
Paying a reduced rate on bonds to get rid of US debt
Healthcare for all
Isolationism

We will start with these.

 

[Dale]

Nukes to Japan and Korea
Paying a reduced rate on bonds to get rid of US debt
Healthcare for all
Isolationism

We will start with these.

Nukes to Japan and Korea is not campaign policy of the Trump campaign. That was just an off the cuff response to a reporter and not something Trump has prioritized or a policy initiative he has run on.

Trump has not campaigned on healthcare for all either (unfortunately). He has supported it in the past, but his official campaign's position is health savings accounts (it seems Carson was successful in swaying him into giving that a try). Cruz supports health savings accounts as well.

Neither Trump nor Cruz support isolationism so I don't know where you get that idea.

So if these are your examples, I don't find your argument persuasive.

The main themes of Trump's campaign has been the border wall/enforcement of our immigration law and his opposition to current trade laws. And both Cruz and Trump were very similar on those issues. The Republican base is largely united behind those two policy initiatives.

 

[Phantasmal]

Nukes to Japan and Korea is not campaign policy of the Trump campaign. That was just an off the cuff response to a reporter and not something Trump has prioritized or a policy initiative he has run on.

Trump has not campaigned on healthcare for all either (unfortunately). He has supported it in the past, but his official campaign's position is health savings accounts (it seems Carson was successful in swaying him into giving that a try). Cruz supports health savings accounts as well.

Neither Trump nor Cruz support isolationism so I don't know where you get that idea.

So if these are your examples, I don't find your argument persuasive.

The main themes of Trump's campaign has been the border wall/enforcement of our immigration law and his opposition to current trade laws. And both Cruz and Trump were very similar on those issues. The Republican base is largely united behind those two policy initiatives.

He was for healthcare for all until March 2016 when he became the front runner and had to align with establishment Republicons on healthcare.

My is one of the problems with Trump, he has a lot of suggestions but no real policy.

His foreign policy was a joke and he once, again has aligned himself with the establishment, except for the silly stuff
hecstill continues to say.

So, basically, he is an establishment guy and the more he needs the GOP, the more you will see him flapping his guns about Hillary and less and less about his policies because he will have transformed from what his believers want him to be and what he really is, a 1% who doesn't give a rip about all the little ugly people of the USA.

 

[Celticguy]

You are so wrong, Trump's policies are what divide them and will continue to divide them. Jeebus, we have many posters who suffer from the Dunning Kruger Effect on this forum.

So funny. The po l s who have committed to the game of politics to get their power hate him for killing it.
That's what matters to the establishment of both sides of the party.

 

[Phantasmal]

So funny. The po l s who have committed to the game of politics to get their power hate him for killing it.
That's what matters to the establishment of both sides of the party.

I can only guess what this means Celtic, could you edit it, please.

 

[anatta]

He was for healthcare for all until March 2016 when he became the front runner and had to align with establishment Republicons on healthcare.

My is one of the problems with Trump, he has a lot of suggestions but no real policy.

His foreign policy was a joke and he once, again has aligned himself with the establishment, except for the silly stuff
hecstill continues to say.

So, basically, he is an establishment guy and the more he needs the GOP, the more you will see him flapping his guns about Hillary and less and less about his policies because he will have transformed from what his believers want him to be and what he really is, a 1% who doesn't give a rip about all the little ugly people of the USA.

I'm not crazy about his foreign policy - he's too willing to risk NATO over a couple of beans (money) .

But I don't see him as a 1%'r as policy -if anything his position on trade and jobs goes against the globalist
which Obama is one and Clinton is too ( depending on her shapeshifting)

But Clinton is an interventionist, and has a horrible record on Libya ( not Bengazi -the interventionist war that has caused ISIS to flourish in Libya)
Would Trump do the same? I don't think so

Then there are the regulations which are completely out of control. The demise of federalism - both of which Clinton would escalate.
Then there is Clinton shamelessly playing identity politics ( which are themselves divisive)

So when you get right down to it, both these candidates are awful. Pick your poison, or vote 3rd party.