Islam retards intellectual growth

Darth Hussein Omar said:
Ok, so why does the M.E. lag behind the West in just about every measurable category?
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because the only way they can thrive is in a world where everyone is a monarchy/dictatorship like them. when people get more advanced forms of govt the institutional weakness of islam is exposed.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Ok, so why does the M.E. lag behind the West in just about every measurable category?
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these aren't liberal democracys. They tend to be dictatorial and that favors one faction over another. It's one reason the entire arab spring happened.

But look at Libya. It had a very high standard of living before we sacked it. The wealth has to be spread among the people, like Libya socialism.
Now with oil prices the next challenge is economic diversification.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Cultural conservatism I.E. Fuedalism. What is happening in the ME and what happened in China in the 20th century and much of Latin Amerca are historical object lessons on the dangers of cultural conservatism.
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You seem to have the cart before the horse. What is the source of 'cultural conservatism' [If they loosen up M.E. potty restrictions everything would be fine lol?] but Islam?

It's politically incorrect, but Islam is and has been an impediment in that part of the world.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Ok, so why does the M.E. lag behind the West in just about every measurable category?
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tsuke said:
because the only way they can thrive is in a world where everyone is a monarchy/dictatorship like them. when people get more advanced forms of govt the institutional weakness of islam is exposed.
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faulty logic but you're close. You have it backwards. It is the Feudalism represented by monarchy and dictatorship forms of government that Islamic nations have that are the problem. Have you noticed that Islamic nations which are modern Repulics and/or liberal democracies don't have these problems?
 
anatta said:
these aren't liberal democracys. They tend to be dictatorial and that favors one faction over another. It's one reason the entire arab spring happened.

But look at Libya. It had a very high standard of living before we sacked it. The wealth has to be spread among the people, like Libya socialism.
Now with oil prices the next challenge is economic diversification.
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I don't know that liberal democracy is compatible with Islam. It certainly doesn't seem to be. Maybe that's why despotism is the only viable alternative in the M.E.

We topple the Baathists in Iraq and Islam fills the vacuum. We get rid of Kaddhafi and more of the same. We fail to support Mubarak and Egypt goes to the Muslim Brotherhood. Even in 'Palestine' Muslims democratically[!] install Hamas.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
faulty logic but you're close. You have it backwards. It is the Feudalism represented by monarchy and dictatorship forms of government that Islamic nations have that are the problem. Have you noticed that Islamic nations which are modern Repulics and/or liberal democracies don't have these problems?
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Yeah, but they're exceptions and not the rule. Turkey was once considered a paragon of Islamic liberal democracy and it's teetering on the brink of Islamism under Erdogan.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Ok, so why does the M.E. lag behind the West in just about every measurable category?
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Darth Hussein Omar said:
You seem to have the cart before the horse. What is the source of 'cultural conservatism' [If they loosen up M.E. potty restrictions everything would be fine lol?] but Islam?

It's politically incorrect, but Islam is and has been an impediment in that part of the world.
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Nonsense. Malaysia and Indonesia are modern Republics which are Islamic but do not have the scope of problems with radicalization. Islam is only part of the problem as long as the cultural conservative interpretation of it embraces feudalism. Just as Catholicism was part of the problem in Latin America modernization. For the same reason.
 
tsuke said:
The IQs of the Muslim populations in non-Muslim countries tend to be lower than those of the majority population (Lynn, 2008a). In the Netherlands, the mean IQ of Turks is 83, of Moroccans 81, and Indonesians 94 (Lynn, 2008a). Mackintosh (2007) reported that in the United Kingdom Pakistanis score 4 to 6 IQ points below the Indians.

It is unlikely that this can be attributed entirely to minority status. The Chinese are a minority in many countries of the world and yet obtain higher mean IQs than the majority populations

from the article

For comparison the average IQ in the netherlands is 102
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There are still those in the world dim enough to believe IQ testing is somehow culture-value free. Sancta simplicitas!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yet Turkey doesn't have the scope of radicalization as the rest of the ME. Why is that?
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Give them time lol?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/its-time-to-kick-erdogans_b_9300670.html

Supporting violent Islamists isn't something liberal democracies do. Even in relatively democratic Islamic republics there's tension between Islamists and non-Islamists. And non-Muslims don't fare well at all. Though granted, they're better off in Turkey or Indonesia than they are just about anywhere in the M.E.
 
iolo said:
There are still those in the world dim enough to believe IQ testing is somehow culture-value free. Sancta simplicitas!
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Along with those imbeciles who think culture exists in a vacuum lol. Islam IS the culture in many parts of the world.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I don't know that liberal democracy is compatible with Islam. It certainly doesn't seem to be. Maybe that's why despotism is the only viable alternative in the M.E.

We topple the Baathists in Iraq and Islam fills the vacuum. We get rid of Kaddhafi and more of the same. We fail to support Mubarak and Egypt goes to the Muslim Brotherhood. Even in 'Palestine' Muslims democratically[!] install Hamas.
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Jordan is a kingdom, and before Syria was well off,and still is to large extent. I think you are correct in that it doesn't matter the type of government as long as its not economically repressive..
Saudi arabia is a kingdom, but has a lot of internal social programs, but it's in trouble with oil prices..

If the country's economy is dynamic it does better then static or factionated
 
iolo said:
And in what way is that particular stroke of intellectual brilliance relevant to anything whatever, pray? How do you do on IQ in Arabic?
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Are you really suggesting that they don't have IQ tests in Arabic and the reason the scores were so low, is because they were given to them in something other then their native tongue??

You should stick with drinking, seeing as now it's apparently the only thing you excel in. :palm:
 
Thing1 said:
Honestly, it's a treat that you're even commenting on a thread about intellect.
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There's the Thing we know.

Care to address the post now or did you just want to stick with what you're more comfortable with and that's ignoring what was said?
 
Just take a look at the Muslim theocracies around the world.

That makes your argument for you. /End of debate
 
Dale said:
Just take a look at the Muslim theocracies around the world.

That makes your argument for you. /End of debate
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Yeah, it ain't rocket science. Oh, wait.......

The Iranian Space Agency (ISA, Persian: سازمان فضایی ایران Sázmán e Fazái e Irán) is Iran's governmental space agency. Iran became an orbital-launch-capable nation in 2009.[1] Iran is one of the 24 founding members of the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space, which was set up in 1958.[1]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Space_Agency
 
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