What if its not terrorism?

Jarod said:
No, HRC did not say its not terrorism. She is waiting on solid information, like a responsible leader would do. Like GWB should have done!
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but if it is terrorism then trump would have been able to react to the info faster than other leaders. Which is a trait we want.

Will you disavow hillary if it is terrorism?
 
Jarod said:
So, the Paris to Cairo flight that crashed has an unknown cause at this time, but Dangerous Donald went out last night screaming about how it was terrorism and basically calling anyone who thought otherwise stupid.

Now, I suspect from what we know that it was terrorism, but is it really the right thing to do to go off half cocked calling it terrorism before we have solid evidence of it?

The fact is that ISIS has always claimed responsibility for things they do within hours of the event, they have not done so with this jet. In fact nobody creditable has done so, and terrorists usually do, it furthers their cause to claim it. As the hours tick bye, the possibility grows that its not terrorism.

My question becomes, if its not terrorism, will that further HRC's argument that Dangerous Donald is a loose cannon?

Remember we invaded Iraq on such loose assumptions!
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Trump's a wuss. I predicted disgruntled Methodists in another thread lol.
 
tsuke said:
but if it is terrorism then trump would have been able to react to the info faster than other leaders. Which is a trait we want.

Will you disavow hillary if it is terrorism?
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NO, because if he took action it would have been a risky thing to have gambled without having solid info, just because he guessed right? Acting without solid info is how we got into Iraq and created ISIS in the first place.
 
Jarod said:
No, why would I? Just because he guessed it correctly? My point is that even if he is correct, it was an irresponsible thing to do.
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Many people said it could be terrorism, even Egypt.

Earlier in the day, Egypt’s civil aviation minister, Sherif Fathi, acknowledged at a news conference that the cause might have been terrorism. Mr. Fathi said that “if you analyze the situation properly,” the possibility of “having a terror attack is higher than the possibility” of technical failure.
 
Seahawk said:
Many people said it could be terrorism, even Egypt.

Earlier in the day, Egypt’s civil aviation minister, Sherif Fathi, acknowledged at a news conference that the cause might have been terrorism. Mr. Fathi said that “if you analyze the situation properly,” the possibility of “having a terror attack is higher than the possibility” of technical failure.
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I have no problem with that, in fact if Dangerous Donald had said its most likely terrorism I would not have a problem with it. That's not what he said.

People take the leader of the free world very seriously, at least they have in the past, but if Dangerous Donald proves to be as creditable as The Blaze, then we will have a hard time getting our allies to believe us when the danger is real. Its a classic "the boy who cried wolf" situation.

I don't want Chicken Little as president.
 
Jarod said:
I have no problem with that, in fact if Dangerous Donald had said its most likely terrorism I would not have a problem with it. That's not what he said.

People take the leader of the free world very seriously, at least they have in the past, but if Dangerous Donald proves to be as creditable as The Blaze, then we will have a hard time getting our allies to believe us when the danger is real. Its a classic "the boy who cried wolf" situation.

I don't want Chicken Little as president.
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I'm not saying this in defense of Trump but I sure didn't see you complain about Obama making his "red line" comment about Syria and not backing it up. What message do you think that sent to our allies?
 
Jarod said:
I don't want Chicken Little as president.
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Trumpkins know that, and their joy at your public hand-wringing only fuels their adulation for Teflon Don, Counselor.

They don't care what he says or does. They don't care if his positions change daily. They don't care if anyone else likes it.

They love their Teflon Don, mainly because of the effect he has on people like you.
 
anatta I know you follow foreign policy pretty closely. A well known guy on the USC football board posted this about the situation. I just don't know enough to say whether this is true or not but seem pretty informative.


It was MetroJet, a Russian airlines that flew out of Sharm El Sheikh in Sinai. The plane made previous flights to several countries, but all originated and landed in Cairo before the Paris flight. Each flight the plane is swept at each Airport including Paris before take off. The other destinations are irrelevant. The last origin is where to look.

In the bigger picture, It's no coincidence that three high profile tragedies have happened related to Egypt in past year. The MB is banned, done in Egypt. The ISIS cell is being eradicated in Sinai. The MB is failing to sway the international
Community about the whole "coup" narrative.

You must look at the targets to understand who did this. The Russian Plane. The Italian Student killed. The Egypt Air flight originating from Paris carrying French nationals. All three countries have invested heavily in Egypt during the past year.

Multi billion dollar deals with Russia in military hardware and a Nuclear power plant that will cost $25B. New military cooperation on a large scale.

The largest natural gas find ever in the Mediterranean (and more discoveries imminent) making Egypt a certain large exporter of natural gas by 2020. The find(s) are with Italian companies led by ENI. TRILLIONS of cubic meters of reserves.

Multi billion dollar deals with France in military hardware and joint military cooperation. (Look for future joint action in Libya).

It's no coincidence that these countries are targeted with Egypt in an effort to try and fracture these strategic relations.

Who is trying to fracture these ties and weaken the Egyptian government and Egypt's overall health? The Muslim Brotherhood. Period.

They are desperate as they become less relevant and as they come to realize that they are no longer being heard, especially as the Obama administration is heading out. Countries that have actually met with Sisi including major European countries have all but cancelled them out of any discussion.

We know too well their tactics. They don't target individuals. They target the entire Egyptian economy to try and trigger another uprising. Public knows this, is not buying it, and it further buries them in Egyptian public opinion. They are done in Egypt.
 
^ excellent. the EMB ( Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood ) are banished in Egypt as a 'terrorist organization -but Morsi was a member ( or ally of) the EMB.
So they are now an enemy of the Egyptian state (el-Sisi)

While he was in power the EMB coalesced in the Sinai as Ansar Beit al-Maqdis . There have been quite a few attacks on Egyptian outposts since then, and also by the terrorist group 'Sinai Province' : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25882504.
Sinai Province and the EMB seemed to have reached a peace agreement

The Islamist group, initially known as Ansar Beit al-Maqdis (Supporters of Jerusalem), has been active in the Sinai Peninsula since 2011.
It changed its name after it pledged allegiance to the so-called Islamic State (IS) group in November 2014.

In 2015, Sinai Province staged a series of attacks against the army, whose scale and complexity indicated the possibility of closer coordination with the IS leadership in Syria.
Sinai Province is thought to be aiming to take control of the Sinai Peninsula in order to turn it into an Islamist province run by IS.
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^that is the base of operations..

The guy you quoted makes very good points about "targeting strategic relations" -that is deep dot connecting -and it's correct
but I don't know enough to say if the conclusion is true.

Either way. IS is in Sinai just as surely as it is in Libya, and a shitload of Libyan weapons got to Sinai/Syria during the 2011 Libyan war.
also this is interesting, as if it's not weapons, then it's explosives, an inside job, like the Russian airliner last year.
 
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cawacko said:
I'm not saying this in defense of Trump but I sure didn't see you complain about Obama making his "red line" comment about Syria and not backing it up. What message do you think that sent to our allies?
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I complained, but if you remember he tried to back the red line up, Congress refused.
 
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