Democrats are in dismay and disarray

Darth Omar

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The latest "betrayal" is that Trump admitted his tax plan was negotiable Imagine that—a tax plan being negotiated between the administration and Congress! Never heard of that before.... oh, wait.

Never mind that the Trump plan, even negotiated, would be considerably lower than just about any on offer and well within the parameters of conventional GOP proposals. (Now be honest—who would you rather have negotiating for you, Donald Trump or Paul Ryan? Who do you think would get a better result?) Nevertheless The Donald, in the opinion of the cognoscenti, once more has shown himself to be a feckless character not worthy of support—and the Republican gulf widens.

Or so we're supposed to believe, even though he has the nomination completely nailed down, signed, sealed and delivered, everything but set in bronze.

Meanwhile, to almost everyone's surprise, the Democrats are still fighting, their internal enmity growing as Comrade Bernie wins primary after primary, sometimes by large majorities, and Lady Hillary clings to her super delegates like a three-year-old to a blanket. What happens if she loses California? According to West Virginia exit polls, a full third of Democratic primary voters are ready to defect to Trump. In the latest poll of swing states, Donald is already ahead of Clinton in Ohio and neck-and-neck in Florida and Pennsylvania. And the big show is just getting started.

It is the Democrats, not the Republicans, that have the problem, but you wouldn't know it if you watched, say, The Kelly File or had your Internet perpetually wired to National Review or The Weekly Standard, where the writing is as elegant as the thinking, these days, is often fuzzy. The Democrats are fighting a real war of ideas, disreputable though those ideas may be, while the Republicans fight a status war among themselves, a battle over control, not, except in the margins, over ideology.

Am I wrong? Remind me again where Trump, at least currently, is not a conservative? Taxes, check. Deficit, check. Immigration, check. Sanctuary cities, check. Strong defense, check. Supreme Court, check. Veterans, check. Common core, check. Iran deal, check. Israel, check. Healthcare, check. Pro-life, check.... Oh, yes, Planned Parenthood. He thinks the part of that operation that treats cervical cancer is okay. What a sin.

But...but...but... he has those whacky ideas on NATO and nuclear weapons and trade.

Are they so whacky? Other nations maybe should pay the part of NATO they contracted to. And the Japanese and South Koreans themselves have been talking about building nukes. Wouldn't you after eight years of Obama? And then trade, who would doubt it could have been negotiated better, considering how our foreign policy deals have been negotiated?

And of course there's the matter of Muslim immigration. He wants that restricted for now. So do most Americans, according to polls. Again, this is the opening point of a negotiation. Who knows where it will end? But no one, other than the extreme left, would like to see the Syrian refugees pouring in. Trump will have the public on his side in preventing it.

As I said, the real problem is with the Democrats. They are the ones in true disarray and are likely to remain so through their convention. This is a huge gift to the Republicans if they can only suck it up, shelve their egos, get together and take advantage of it. It doesn't matter whether you are a neocon, a social con, a libertarian, a financial con or just a plain con. Ideology is so last year. (Well not completely, but it doesn't have to be on the front burner all the time, does it?) Just do it.

https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/05/10/democrats-have-the-problem/?singlepage=true
 
This is hilarious spin.

What's happening between Bernie & Hillary is a normal, run-of-the-mill primary fight. Mostly a heated exchange of ideas - it's gotten a little personal here & there, but they have kept it on the issues. It's the kind of debate that ultimately strengthens a party.

On the GOP side? That's civil war, dude. One of the ugliest, most personal primary campaigns in history, followed up by a massive rift between the frontrunner and the party itself.

The "real problem" is only with the Democrats if you are a desperate, delusional Trump supporter. I think it's obvious at this point that "delusion" is the primary characteristic of that group.
 
Not a fan of the article. To each his own as to who they support but please don't try and tell me Trump is conservative. That's just insulting.

And Trump would cut a better tax deal than Ryan? Let's go look at Ryan's 2011 budget and the incredible work he did vs. anything Trump has done in this area. Ryan's budget is close to the ultimate fiscally conservative blueprint as you can get. Trump has done nothing but give us a plan and then say his plan can be negotiated. He has no set principles on taxes.
 
And of course there's the matter of Muslim immigration. He wants that restricted for now. So do most Americans, according to polls. Again, this is the opening point of a negotiation. Who knows where it will end? But no one, other than the extreme left, would like to see the Syrian refugees pouring in. Trump will have the public on his side in preventing it.
he's had chances to clarify but stays with the absurd "Muslim immigration"
If he would have Syrian,or "poorly vetted" - I would have agreed, and the line between Hillary/Obama and the Donald would have been clear

The dude needs to be about 100% more precise in his language.
 
Not a fan of the article. To each his own as to who they support but please don't try and tell me Trump is conservative. That's just insulting.

And Trump would cut a better tax deal than Ryan? Let's go look at Ryan's 2011 budget and the incredible work he did vs. anything Trump has done in this area. Ryan's budget is close to the ultimate fiscally conservative blueprint as you can get. Trump has done nothing but give us a plan and then say his plan can be negotiated. He has no set principles on taxes.

I think conservatives have to accept there is a nationalist wing of the party now. Where people like me are :)
 
Not a fan of the article. To each his own as to who they support but please don't try and tell me Trump is conservative. That's just insulting.

And Trump would cut a better tax deal than Ryan? Let's go look at Ryan's 2011 budget and the incredible work he did vs. anything Trump has done in this area. Ryan's budget is close to the ultimate fiscally conservative blueprint as you can get. Trump has done nothing but give us a plan and then say his plan can be negotiated. He has no set principles on taxes.

True enough, but Ryan didn't get his budget passed into law even though republicans control both houses of congress. Part of the frustration Trump voters have with establishment republicans is they promise but rarely deliver.

Give Trump a shot, what's to lose.
 
True enough, but Ryan didn't get his budget passed into law even though republicans control both houses of congress. Part of the frustration Trump voters have with establishment republicans is they promise but rarely deliver.

Give Trump a shot, what's to lose.

It wasn't going to get passed into law because Obama wasn't going to sign it. The House passed his '11 budget but it was DOA in the Democrat controlled Senate.

There's a lot to lose with Trump actually.

Edit: And once the Republicans gained controlled of Congress it's as if they didn't want to pass a budget. They were content with fighting for something that Obama would never sign. So they accomplished nothing other than to get their own supporters pissed off at them.
 
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he's had chances to clarify but stays with the absurd "Muslim immigration"
If he would have Syrian,or "poorly vetted" - I would have agreed, and the line between Hillary/Obama and the Donald would have been clear

The dude needs to be about 100% more precise in his language.

muslims are evil
 
True enough, but Ryan didn't get his budget passed into law even though republicans control both houses of congress. Part of the frustration Trump voters have with establishment republicans is they promise but rarely deliver.

Give Trump a shot, what's to lose.
Our Republic
 
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