time for real dems to suort hilary

Anyone can be principled. The principles may be amoral, hedonistic, silly or whatever else. Stain seems to have a principle that made it OK to kill anyone he didn't like.
Principles are more usually mentioned relative to positive beliefs but that's not the only way.
 
Thing1 said:
Any principled individual on the left will not support Hillary.

She's a political chameleon & hawk, and helped enable one of the worst foreign policies of our time, the Iraq War.

If you vote for her, you're basically saying you'll vote for anyone who calls themselves a Democrat. You'd probably be voting Trump if he decided to run on the Dem side (which he easily could have).
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no he couldnt. With proportionality and superdelegates there is no chance for a revolution to win in the dem side. Which is why Trump went the gop route.
 
evince said:
not what he said you fucking racist liar
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The economic system he supports is SOCIALISM. That he supports a Democratic political system doesn't change the Socialism part. In other words, Sanders supports those that don't contribute to the system being able to vote for those that do to be forced to pay more so the non-contributing freeloaders can continue to get something for nothing.
 
its so awesome that the dems can have a debate with 2 different points of view socialism (democratic?) and corporate globalism and be civil about it. Conservatives break down and cry when you introduce new nationalistic ideas inside the gop tent.
 
Thing1 said:
Any principled individual on the left will not support Hillary.

She's a political chameleon & hawk, and helped enable one of the worst foreign policies of our time, the Iraq War.

If you vote for her, you're basically saying you'll vote for anyone who calls themselves a Democrat. You'd probably be voting Trump if he decided to run on the Dem side (which he easily could have).
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Assuming HC gets the Dem nomination would you vote for Trump then?
 
CFM said:
Are you a Bernie supporter? If so, so much for a claim of principles. Socialism is and cannot be principled.
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Really? So your public education has no principles? There were no principles behind the road you'll drive on today? There's no principles behind our military? There's no principle behind your parents social security and medicare? These are all socialism. Are you sure you know what the fuck you are talking about?

Bernie's foreign policy is spot on right for keeping this nation out of uneccesary foreign wars while keeping the US engaged and our military strong. You right wing extremist just want to throw away blood and treasure killing brown people. That's your foreign policy.
 
cawacko said:
Huh? Socialism is wrong and a failure when attempted to be fully implemented but one can be principled while being mistaken.
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Socialism isn't always mistaken. We use it all the time. People are either just to dishonest or stupid to admit that. Our Military is socialism. Would you replace it with a free market military, aka, a mercenary military? One that's only loyal as long as their pay check clears?

Now there's no arguing that a well regulated market system is far superior than a command economy but don't tell me that socialism is always wrong. That's just disingenuous. We use it all the time when the market fails to produce.
 
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