Federal regulations costing US $1.9T annually

[anatta]

so it looks like there is over-reach, and the courts have addressed what they can, but not everything goes to the courts,,
and to be clear Congress should be more active, and not just rely on courts too.

Courts Rein In Obama's Regulatory Overreach
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2015/11/04/courts_rein_in_obamas_regulatory_overreach_1459.html

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I wonder if the NC bathroom law comes from Fed'l regs? on discrimination??

You're argument in your op is so flawed. You know what's worse than over regulation? Inadequate regulation. Your OP is an example of why ideologues, left and right usually don't produce anything but grid lock.

For us to order our lives in fair, safe, healthy, predictable and beneficial manners regulations are absolutely necessary. There is always going to be that place between to much and not enough regulation and affective and productive legislation vs ineffective, obsolete or superannuated regulations. Making those decisions is a big part of why we elect people to represent us in government.

The facts are, is if you believe in the rule of law and you desire the social, economic and political stability the rule of law provides then that rule of law must be implemented and regulations are the means and methods by which law(s) are implemented.


Ultimately the ideological argument against regulation is just another lame libertarian cum anarchist argument for chaos.

 

[anatta]

You're argument in your op is so flawed. You know what's worse than over regulation? Inadequate regulation. Your OP is an example of why ideologues, left and right usually don't produce anything but grid lock.

For us to order our lives in fair, safe, healthy, predictable and beneficial manners regulations are absolutely necessary. There is always going to be that place between to much and not enough regulation and affective and productive legislation vs ineffective, obsolete or superannuated regulations. Making those decisions is a big part of why we elect people to represent us in government.

The facts are, is if you believe in the rule of law and you desire the social, economic and political stability the rule of law provides then that rule of law must be implemented and regulations are the means and methods by which law(s) are implemented.


Ultimately the ideological argument against regulation is just another lame libertarian cum anarchist argument for chaos.

so you're arguing for the rule of law?? yeppers -no disagreement there.

Regulating is fine and needed.
"Micro-regulations" (my words) are a government out of control that burdens states and individuals to the point it costs more then taxes take in each year.
That is prima facie problematic. I'd go as far to say it's destroying the X Amendment -but the Constitutionality is a much moe difficult argument to make -so I wont.

There is always going to be that place between to much and not enough regulation and affective and productive legislation vs ineffective, obsolete or superannuated regulations. Making those decisions is a big part of why we elect people to represent us in government.

Thing I this is beyond ideology,, t's been happening under both party's presidency.

So throwing the bums out and putting in new bums isn't enough -the problem is the rise of the regulatory state.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

so you're arguing for the rule of law?? yeppers -no disagreement there.

Regulating is fine and needed.
"Micro-regulations" (my words) are a government out of control that burdens states and individuals to the point it costs more then taxes take in each year.
That is prima facie problematic. I'd go as far to say it's destroying the X Amendment -but the Constitutionality is a much moe difficult argument to make -so I wont.

Thing I this is beyond ideology,, t's been happening under both party's presidency.

So throwing the bums out and putting in new bums isn't enough -the problem is the rise of the regulatory state.

It's been happening since the dawn of our Republic. It's how our government is designed to work!! The fact that we have vastly more regulations then we did in 1789 is simply just indicative of how much this nation has grown and developed and become vastly more complex.

So the point being, fine, you think there's too much regulation. Which ones to we keep and which ones to we get rid of or do we get rid of them all and who gets to decide that?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Yea well which regulations would you get rid of? The regulations the stop someone from dumping hazardous waste in your backyard? The ones that prevent bankers from gambling your money away? Food safety? Bridge and road construction standards? Regulations on accounting transparency? Safety in coal mines? Fair housing regulations? equal access to the internet? Which ones would you get rid of?

None of those regulations prevent what you think

Banks still gamble money away
Coal mines are always unsafe
Equal access to the Internet? WTF is that

But you wrap yourself in the illusion that these regulations keep you safe and the you can act SHOCKED when bad shit happens

Helpless fuckers deserve what you get.

Now this is where you toss out the " do you want us to be like Somalia" logical fallacy.

 

[Legion Troll]

 

[canceled.2021.1]

You're argument in your op is so flawed. You know what's worse than over regulation? Inadequate regulation. Your OP is an example of why ideologues, left and right usually don't produce anything but grid lock.

For us to order our lives in fair, safe, healthy, predictable and beneficial manners regulations are absolutely necessary. There is always going to be that place between to much and not enough regulation and affective and productive legislation vs ineffective, obsolete or superannuated regulations. Making those decisions is a big part of why we elect people to represent us in government.

The facts are, is if you believe in the rule of law and you desire the social, economic and political stability the rule of law provides then that rule of law must be implemented and regulations are the means and methods by which law(s) are implemented.


Ultimately the ideological argument against regulation is just another lame libertarian cum anarchist argument for chaos.

We get it. You can't cafe for yourself without the gobblement looking out for you. Life is scary.

 

[anatta]

It's been happening since the dawn of our Republic. It's how our government is designed to work!! The fact that we have vastly more regulations then we did in 1789 is simply just indicative of how much this nation has grown and developed and become vastly more complex.

So the point being, fine, you think there's too much regulation. Which ones to we keep and which ones to we get rid of or do we get rid of them all and who gets to decide that?

in general it has to be understood we are over-regulated..there are many so called social engineering programs ( like the reg I posted) that do much more then prohibit discrimination - they basically tell localities where low cost housing has to go. Localities should be required to provide low cost housing,
but decide for themselves what works best. It's inherent over-reach for the fed;s to locate low cost housing.
You can see for yourself how cumbersome that language is. (post above)

Or take the example of WOTUS, where the EPA's usual and customary reach was navigable waterways ( inter-state) ;but are now trying to basically regulate pond water.. Not that pond water can't be regulated, but that is encroachment on state power by the Fed's. why does that matter? ( rhetorical)
Because a farmer/landowner can find himself dealing with DC bureaucrats instead of local officials who don't have one size fist all ponderous regs the enforce
like fed'l agencies do. It goes to federalism in that case.

Myself I'd prefer much more block type grants where the feds set the overall goals/regs,
but leave it upto the states to enforce. The feds still would be supreme and able to guide policy, but not at the local levels -provided the localities fall in line with fed'l guidelines ( regs)..

Fed'l agencies exist to regulate and that's good,but left unchecked they will micro-manage . It's what they do by nature
and there is no normalized checks and balances like legislation..too much of a good thing as it were..

 

[CFM]

It's been happening since the dawn of our Republic. It's how our government is designed to work!! The fact that we have vastly more regulations then we did in 1789 is simply just indicative of how much this nation has grown and developed and become vastly more complex.

So the point being, fine, you think there's too much regulation. Which ones to we keep and which ones to we get rid of or do we get rid of them all and who gets to decide that?

We get it. You can't function without the gubmint looking out for you.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I mean how many people would be poisoned by shoddy lemonade by unscrupulous children trying to make a buck?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/02/24/tried-to-open-lemonade-stand.html

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Here is one Mott and Rana can't live without. I mean if you are swapping out a mother board of course you need a Magnum PI license. I bet Mott and Rana feel safer already
http://www.businessinsider.com/ridi...0-11?slop=1#1-private-investigators-license-1

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Of course Mott and Rana probably really love this one because it protects them from opinions that hurts their feels

http://www.businessinsider.com/ridi...1#2-business-privilege-license-for-bloggers-2

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Wouldn't want the little tikes getting cavities now would we? Good thing the gobblement is there otherwise who would know to brush their teef?

http://www.businessinsider.com/ridi...-2010-11?slop=1#4-teeth-brushing-regulation-4

 

[Legion Troll]

You think Trump will wave his short fingers and make federal regulations disappear?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

I mean who could oppose this? Everyone knows someone who has suffered from a shoddy tour. Thank God the gobblement is there. I mean without them some slipshod guide might make you think the Lincoln Memorial is the Washington Monument

http://www.businessinsider.com/ridi...ment-2010-11?slop=1#5-dc-tour-guide-license-5

 

[canceled.2021.1]

We must be protected from sub par pumpkins right Mott?

http://www.businessinsider.com/ridi...7-pumpkin-and-christmas-tree-vendor-license-7

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Lordy knows you couldn't close your business without smarter people telling you how to do it. I bet Mutt sleeps better knowing this one is on the books

http://www.businessinsider.com/ridi...0-11?slop=1#11-license-to-close-a-business-11

 

[canceled.2021.1]

The lemonade regulation is really important to Mutt. He once got the trots from a bad batch of lemonade he bought from an 8 year old girl standing on the corner trying to earn a few bucks for an Easy Bake Oven.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Here is a good one that is probably on the books because one of Mutts genetically altered sheep he fucks got out of the pen and Mutt failed to report it

http://www.dumblaws.com/law/183

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Here is a great one.
http://thecrux.com/too-many-government-regulations-wait-until-you-read-this/