Trump has a Latino Problem

Blacks stay home ? Everywhere.
With Sanders fading they like the chances of jobs better with trump.

They've been supporting Hillary all along though.

Edit: it's possible Trump could win some over with his jobs plan but as of today he's got a lot of work to do so
 
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They've been supporting Hillary all along though.

Edit: it's possible Trump could win some over with his jobs plan but as of today he's got a lot of work to do so

That's been kind of my point. The election isn't today and Trump has made little or no effort to make an overture to blacks, thus far. People are making the point Trumps numbers are in the tank with blacks, but right now isn't November.

I'll be very, very surprised if Trump doesn't move those numbers up between now and then. How much is the question.
 
"While Fallows laments the United States’ relatively minor role in developing clean coal technology, America has little reason for doing so. The United States is currently awash in low-cost gas, making new gas-fired generation far cheaper than coal. Fallows cites a utility executive’s claim that “the lowest-price coal plant might generate electricity for 2 cents per kilowatt-hour.” Yet this figure reflects the marginal cost for an existing plant, not the all-in cost.

Coal is on the outs, clean or not, it will not be viable again, not until the gas is gone.
ya cheap gas now. but for how long,
and even if it does go up will coal ever make a comeback? Clinton appears to say never on her watch..

You are also not taking EPA regs in effect either, by coal as a "greenhouse gas"-and that is an executive decision by Obama
likely continued by Clinton..
Which was my point. The executive by itself -thru it's EPA - killing an entire industry..

PS..please post your sources..I would have liked to read about that.
 
That's been kind of my point. The election isn't today and Trump has made little or no effort to make an overture to blacks, thus far. People are making the point Trumps numbers are in the tank with blacks, but right now isn't November.

I'll be very, very surprised if Trump doesn't move those numbers up between now and then. How much is the question.

I'm also concerned that JPP liberals seem to think that Blacks and Hispanics are just mindless robots who think alike and are only concerned about the same things; it's like they actually believe that all Blacks and Hispanics are unable to think for themselves and make their own decisions.

The JPP mindset is more insulting then anything a racist could or has said about them. :palm:
 
ya cheap gas now. but for how long,
and even if it does go up will coal ever make a comeback? Clinton appears to say never on her watch..

You are also not taking EPA regs in effect either, by coal as a "greenhouse gas"-and that is an executive decision by Obama
likely continued by Clinton..
Which was my point. The executive by itself -thru it's EPA - killing an entire industry..

PS..please post your sources..I would have liked to read about that.

There's a reason WV went against Obama twice. If Obama couldn't legislate coal out of business he was going to regulate it out of business and he kept his promise. Cheap natural gas factors in, obviously. But even without it, the state would still have lost thousands of good paying coal jobs under Obama.

Then Hillary comes along and promises more of the same. All for the sake of a liberal piety [global warming].

Not all blue collar workers are miners, but they can plainly see that Hillary will put ideology before jobs---and theirs might be next.
 
They've been supporting Hillary all along though.

Edit: it's possible Trump could win some over with his jobs plan but as of today he's got a lot of work to do so

Lots of work to do always but jobs were his #1 out if the gate and the dems have shown they can't deliver so the pendulum was swinging no matter what.

And V.Fox wants to play nice now. Don't expect things to go according to Hoyle.
 
Its not TRUMP that has Latio's voting democrat.....its the obvious NANNY STATE benefits being sold by the democrats in order to purchase votes. After all its not the politicians money they are giving away....its TAX PAYER money. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why Blacks, Spanish and a few other ethnic groups vote DEMOCRAT....its not because of the documented history actual of the democrat party, its the modern Social Communist history of giving some 19 trillion dollars away since 1964...supposedly on the GREAT SOCIETY PROGRAM'S that successfully ADDICTED several ethnic minority groups to the WELFARE SCAM of using tax payer monies to purchase votes and power

....but the programs are a demonstrable failure..as the poverty index remains basically the same and static regardless of how much tax payer monies are thrown at it...the democrats always approach elections with the same message, hat in hand requesting MORE SOUP PLEASE, charging CONSERVATIVES of attempting to take away THE BIG FIX NEEDLE from the minorities, damn evil ass conservatives, want you and grandmother to starve...after all it does not cost YOU a thing....its OTHER PEOPLES MONEY....OBAMA BUCKS.:)

Is it just a quinky dink that our national debt is about the same (approaching 19 trillion) as is the amount spent on all the federal giveaways since the 60s?

Its a corrupt system. The right to vote should be reserved only to those who CONTRIBUTE to the TAX SYSTEM....no one should be able to vote for a living. Is it any wonder that Black's constantly vote at a 90% rate for the FREE SHIT? And scream....BIGOTRY, RACISM..etc., if its pointed out they are still enslaved to ELITE WHITES of this nation...only the plantation exits in Washington DC...that continually informs this minority that they simply can't make it without Gobermint Help.

I laugh until I almost cry every time I see some elite WHITE big shot attempting to ACT BLACK in public....like Hillary or a few other self described NY elites... the Mayor or Governor...etc.

Laughter is good for the soul.
 
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Lots of work to do always but jobs were his #1 out if the gate and the dems have shown they can't deliver so the pendulum was swinging no matter what.

And V.Fox wants to play nice now. Don't expect things to go according to Hoyle.

Well he has horrible poll numbers among blacks as well. Many think he's a racist. He's got a lot of work to do.
 
There's a reason WV went against Obama twice. If Obama couldn't legislate coal out of business he was going to regulate it out of business and he kept his promise. Cheap natural gas factors in, obviously. But even without it, the state would still have lost thousands of good paying coal jobs under Obama.

Then Hillary comes along and promises more of the same. All for the sake of a liberal piety [global warming].

Not all blue collar workers are miners, but they can plainly see that Hillary will put ideology before jobs---and theirs might be next.
some really smart people I've talked to say man caused global warming is really a problem, and can be controlled.
I have no idea if that is true or not..I do think Congress needs to weigh in on this..

Bu I can't entirely blame Obama either; what is the saying about "power abhors a vacuum?" -
meaning if Congess will not act the executive wiil.

Our government is dysfunctional - Clinton and Obama, and the Repubs all are resoncible for it.
But we the people buy into the crap (hyper-partisanship)and as long as we do, elected officials will play us.

Todays political partys are anathema to good governing.
 
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who the fuck is otro
 
Trump can definitely win. But if you look at the numbers today there's a reason Hillary is a big favorite. Romney crushed the white vote and still lost rather handily. There are not that many white people out there waiting for Trump for them to vote. Throw in that Hispanics are registering in record numbers, many with the sole goal of voting against Trump. It's a huge problem for him.

depends where the latinos are registering. if a bulk of that number is coming from california it's less of an issue than say if it were in ohio. people just see raw%'s and never figure how that will apply demographically on an electoral map.
 
I think it's obvious right now clinton is a huge favorite to win

But I also think this is unlike any election in recent times, trump as a candidate is a massive head scratcher.

He just don't operate by the same rules and I am not sure past predicative measure can apply. I mean how many steps of the way did they think he was a total joke but or say he was done for. People have been saying this since april and each time


i mean when you watch the video it's funny that the reaction still today is "yeah well now he's REALLY done...we keep saying it, from pollsters like nate silver giving him almost no chance but he just has kept winning in spite of all pundits analysis.

of course it might be a lot easier to trick retarded republicans than the nation at large. That could very well be true. I just look at this election very hesitantly in being confident in what will happen. I think there is a very big ? hanging over head
 
"While Fallows laments the United States’ relatively minor role in developing clean coal technology, America has little reason for doing so. The United States is currently awash in low-cost gas, making new gas-fired generation far cheaper than coal. Fallows cites a utility executive’s claim that “the lowest-price coal plant might generate electricity for 2 cents per kilowatt-hour.” Yet this figure reflects the marginal cost for an existing plant, not the all-in cost.

Coal is on the outs, clean or not, it will not be viable again, not until the gas is gone.

Obviously you've never heard of UCG?

http://www.channel4.com/news/is-the-future-of-british-coal-burning-it-underground
 
"While Fallows laments the United States’ relatively minor role in developing clean coal technology, America has little reason for doing so. The United States is currently awash in low-cost gas, making new gas-fired generation far cheaper than coal. Fallows cites a utility executive’s claim that “the lowest-price coal plant might generate electricity for 2 cents per kilowatt-hour.” Yet this figure reflects the marginal cost for an existing plant, not the all-in cost.

Coal is on the outs, clean or not, it will not be viable again, not until the gas is gone.

Well if you make it more expensive with artificial regulations then duh. But we know how warm and cozy government regulations make you lefties feel. It is like having a Doberman as a watch dog. Nothing can harm you and you will be protected for life.
 
some really smart people I've talked to say man caused global warming is really a problem, and can be controlled.
I have no idea if that is true or not..I do think Congress needs to weigh in on this..

Bu I can't entirely blame Obama either; what is the saying about "power abhors a vacuum?" -
meaning if Congess will not act the executive wiil.

Our government is dysfunctional - Clinton and Obama, and the Repubs all are resoncible for it.
But we the people buy into the crap (hyper-partisanship)and as long as we do, elected officials will play us.

Todays political partys are anathema to good governing.

Well, good governance in a republic doesn't entail the executive branch ruling like a dictator and deciding for everyone else what policies and regulations come into effect. Congress exists for a reason. There's the sense in many parts of the country that people have no control over their own government. WV is one of those places.
 
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