The irony of your argument is that saying the pledge in school is voluntary and is also not a requirement for receiving an education. He didn't break any state or federal laws by taking his picture with that flag, he didn't violate any school code by taking a picture with that flag, and he didn't physically or verbally harm anybody by holding that flag. If he was going around saying hateful language and was warned before then I get it but if he wasn't warned before then that's all that really needed to be done in my opinion.
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The irony of your argument is that saying the pledge in school is voluntary and is also not a requirement for receiving an education. He didn't break any state or federal laws by taking his picture with that flag, he didn't violate any school code by taking a picture with that flag, and he didn't physically or verbally harm anybody by holding that flag. If he was going around saying hateful language and was warned before then I get it but if he wasn't warned before then that's all that really needed to be done in my opinion.
The kid did something Mott didn't like or found offensive. He walks around with a jar of vaseline on a daily basis just in case someone says/does something that causes him to be butthurt.
Airstrip One
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Would it violate school code to pose with the Nazi or Soviet flags?
Does the school's code specific say someone can't pose with either of those?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
So the pledge is just words then?
Well no that's not what I said. What I said was that it's not against school policy to not say the pledge. You said that they should be punished for violating the pledge but the school doesn't have that kind of authority.
Confederate flags are way the result of PC gone wild.. I wouldn't allow them on state property, but to BAN them for sale is ludicrous.
It isn't the flag that offends or shoots people. We made a value judgement just recently, but for over 150 years nobody cared
if you used them.
Nor does owning one "violate " a pledge to the US flag - unless one pledges to the Confederate flag.
All that said I think it's an oddity to display them - I wouldn't but you should be able to without bans.
There are some uses of the flag in arts and literature too - do you want them banned?
Finally there is a new movement to remove Confederate monuments.. now we're purging US history itself!
Take a trip to Gettysburg and look at the monuments to brave soldiers on both sides before you advocate removing memorials
It isn't the flag that offends or shoots people. We made a value judgement just recently, but for over 150 years nobody cared
if you used them.
Nor does owning one "violate " a pledge to the US flag - unless one pledges to the Confederate flag.
All that said I think it's an oddity to display them - I wouldn't but you should be able to without bans.
There are some uses of the flag in arts and literature too - do you want them banned?
Finally there is a new movement to remove Confederate monuments.. now we're purging US history itself!
Take a trip to Gettysburg and look at the monuments to brave soldiers on both sides before you advocate removing memorials
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
No one is calling for a ban on sales of the Confederate flag. This gets brought-up every time there is a petition to remove one from state/public grounds, because southerners are very dishonest.
Seeing as how the Pledge has never been enforced as any sort of actual oath, I don't see it as a valid means of targeting someone for displaying the southern swastika.
As for the monuments, they can persist, wherever removed, within museums, so as to maintain the historical value. I do think that presidents should quit giving appearances and speeches at CSA cemeteries to honor the fallen enemies. We don't extend that courtesy to the combatants/troops of any other enemy we have fought against.
did not Confederate flags get banned from many stores? That's why I brought it up. I agree the marketplace can do what it wants
but it's fairly evident there were organized efforts to stop sales.
Walmart, Amazon, Sears, eBay to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/confederate-flag-walmart-south-carolina/
I love your language of comparing the Nazi flag to the Confederate flag (not).
Did the south somehow murder 6 million civilians I am unaware of?
I've lived in Maryland and the south all my life, and by and large only racists put them on trucks etc.
But there is also southern heritage.. legitimate displays
What gets me is for 150 years it was OK to display,and now suddenly it's not?
The Civil War corrected slavery, and ideally the flag would be solely historical. I certainly as a southerner have no use for the flag
and never did.
But it think it's wrong headed to ban flags/ideas - we are different then Europe with our first Amendment
and the Confederate flag should not be compared to Nazi concentration camps, or Soviet gulags.
Lastly their IS an assault/removal of Confederate monuments! ( I'm working -i'll source it for you if need be)
So we're already on that slippery slope.
I'm a big fan of E Pluribus Unum. Too often we resort to regionalism/tribalism etc. to the detriment of the Union.
But banning and removal are steps to far..Better to do what we've done throughout our history and marginalize that.
I realize that flag flying on state capitols is also an abomination. That should have been the response to the Charleston shootings-
not this over-reach.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
I've actually found Wal-Mart's move to be surprising, given it is the most popular retailer in the south. That said, those stores, and any other store which refuses to carry it, are not Congress, and are not "banning" the flag.
The south murdered (and raped) countless enslaved blacks. It just didn't happen over a span of five years.
I don't really care about the monuments, seeing as how they were built to promote southern pride, which is something I don't see the value of. There is no person who supported the CSA whose character or deeds are worth celebrating. They should build monuments to people who were great Americans.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
Or to cover their arses, I have a 'funny feeling' it's the latter.
Great Americans?
Provide a list of those you think qualify.
Is Aunt Jemima considered a great American. The government sees fit to put her picture on the $20.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Why do I get the idea the same people who defend the school would be condemning the school if the kid got expelled for burning the Stars and Stripes?
Mott would be one of them claiming that free speech was being violated.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Probably not, unless the school policy says so.
The state doesn't get to punish people for speaking, even if it is "hateful language"... There are even SCOTUS rulings regarding this.