Trump's foreign policy speech

Rana said:
It is the complaint I have read from people who have quit his campaign that he really has no interest in learning or listening, they really didn't think he wants to be President, he just wanted the bragging rights.
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I think it's a valid enough complaint based on everything I've noticed from the outside.
 
Legion Troll said:
Will these cons never learn?

Male Nursie has been gushing like a schoolgirl all day about what a great speech his Dear Leader gave.

Forcing our culture and values on the Middle East is like the Muslims forcing Sharia on us...but the cons don't see it. :palm:
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actually trump specifically said one of our problems was that we kept ramming democracy down the throats of cultures that did not want it.
 
anatta said:
what worries me is his misunderstanding of leadership -so called power projection. If you pull out of centralAsia ( not in a war role) you lose access to intelligence.
And Putin may agree to some Cold War era type detante' but make no mistake he is bent on creating Russian empire..

THen again Bernie -as much as I like him has no clue on this either - his ideas of "coaltitions" are fine -but for a coalition to form it still takes US leadership.

Most worrisome about Trump is his willingness to dissolve NATO over membership payments -that is a really bad idea.
NATO is extremely imporatant not just with Russia,.but incorporating western Europe into defense strategies.

I'm not sure of his China policy. for sure they are not strategic allies -but I think they aren't really expansionists beyond their sphere of influence
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What makes you think the US still wouldn't be in the gathering of intelligence, from any area?
 
After reading the majority of the posts on this thread, some things have become very apparent.
1 - According to liberals, the US should broadcast how they intend to stage any action in the Mideast and if they would have had the voice they do now; our invasions by sea, should have been broadcast to the Germans and Japanese.

2 - The JPP anit-Trumpers are showing their fear.

:chesh:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
After reading the majority of the posts on this thread, some things have become very apparent.
1 - According to liberals, the US should broadcast how they intend to stage any action in the Mideast and if they would have had the voice they do now; our invasions by sea, should have been broadcast to the Germans and Japanese.

2 - The JPP anit-Trumpers are showing their fear.

:chesh:
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Why shouldn't there be fear? Trump is incredibly naive, rash & has dangerous foreign policy ideas.

Are we supposed to feel comfortable w/ that?
 
anatta said:
I spead the snippet you posted -thanks. it looks like he's talking about so called Soft Power ( spreading western values,
but not human rights and not wars.
That's fine. China does much the same but they do it from a mercantile position (except their direct sphere where they practice hegemony)

At least he's thinking, and not regurgitating pre-fed lines..My biggest criticism is he need to study.

As crappy as Hillary is in her performance, is how well she is versed. She's a screw up,but a knowledgable screw up.
Trump seems more circumspect, but he desperately needs a learning curve to climb..

He can get that thru advisors ,but he seriously also need to learn the players better.
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I'm glad you brought up the last part: Hillary [and Obama or Kerry] know the players better than Trump. Though Trump has dealt with some of them in the private sector so that counts for something. The problem with the former group is their assumptions about how the world works are wrong.

Take their dealings with Iran for example: they REALLY think Iran can be dealt with like any western power: that they can be generally trusted to not break their treaties. These people are gullible on the world stage. Trump is many things---gullible is not one of them lol!

Another example is Obama going on about 'universal values' whiles he's trying to not talk to talk about radical Islam. Western values such as liberal democracy and religious freedom aren't shared, much less recognized, in much of the world. Trump touched on that in his speech, in fact.

Anyone can learn the players, anyone kind find advisors. I'm more concerned about the candidates operating assumptions, and Trumps are as good or better than anyone's on the republican side and way better than Hillary's.
 
Thing1 said:
I mean, seriously - ultimately, this is why popular elections do not work, and why Trump has so many supporters.

As a populace, we simply do not understand even the surface of complexities in foreign policy, trade, financial policy, etc. It's no knock against us - most of us are too busy and do not have the time or interest in those matters. But it's silly to have a country like America vote for a leader because he can confidently talk about a "secret plan" and has good zingers for his opponents.
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anatta said:
Even Saudi Arabia and Iran are so called democracies. so was Assad a democratically elected leader of Syria..

It's when we do regime change and overthrow dictators like in Iraq and Libya...... blowback time
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By all means provide proof that Saudi Arabia is a democracy.
:rofl:
 
Thing1 said:
Anyone catch this thing?

What a mess. This is such a surreal year. There is no way, no how that someone like Trump should ever get near the Presidency.

It was full of all kinds of contradictions and generalizations, and - as usual - lacking in specifics. It relied instead on the usual "(insert foreign policy issue here) is going to be solved, and quickly...believe me."

And his whole thing about having a secret plan to defeat ISIS, and how we shouldn't reveal that stuff and should be "unpredictable"? It's bull, for anyone who is buying it. You don't give away specific battle plans or covert operations, obviously. Broad strategy? You HAVE to talk about that. The American people and our allies have every right to know what your plans are.

The emperor, as usual, has no clothes.
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You mean generalizations like "Hope and Change"? Wait, that wasn't Trump.
 
Thing1 said:
Why shouldn't there be fear? Trump is incredibly naive, rash & has dangerous foreign policy ideas.

Are we supposed to feel comfortable w/ that?
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Should would be comfortable with a President that does nothing in the first five months in office but travel and berate his own country to other parts of the world? Seems enough idiots did that with Obama after his apology tour.
 
Rune said:
By all means provide proof that Saudi Arabia is a democracy.
:rofl:
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I used "so called", but you are correct that is still an over-reach. There are limited reforms and municipal and advisory council elections
( where women got the vote for the first time) - but SA is a monarchy indeed.
 
There is a possibility of a Russian Reset with Trump too. ( and not that silly Hillary button presented to Lavrov)

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not that the Ukraine will stop being an issue (etc.) But I could be better then the malaise Obama/Hillary will continue.
But it would need to take into account Russian spheres, as well as NATO's legit roles.
 
the best thing I like about this is it gives the people a choice. bush x2 clinton x2 obama all have the same interventionist free trade above all foreign policy. Trump at least provedes an alternative to that so people can choose which one they like. Usually there is no choice between how pro free trade both parties are.
 
tsuke said:
the best thing I like about this is it gives the people a choice. bush x2 clinton x2 obama all have the same interventionist free trade above all foreign policy. Trump at least provedes an alternative to that so people can choose which one they like. Usually there is no choice between how pro free trade both parties are.
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:chesh:
 
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