Public Schools are Visiting the Creation Museum on Field Trips...

christiefan915 said:
No but kids can keep an open mind when they're visiting with their parents. I can just imagine if the field trip was to a mosque.
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Let's imagine a trip to both. The trip to the Creationist museum would include a short lecture about how most of their theories are disproven, it's not science etc etc.

And a trip to the Mosque would include some hard truths about historical Islam: how they nearly conquered Europe; how Mohammed personally oversaw the be heading of infidels in Arabia; and also, the role Islam plays in current world events.

That's called an education in both instances.

What the kids would most likely get in the second instance is the usual white-washed pap about how Islam is all love and light but was perverted by Osama bin Laden and maybe 5 or 6 Muslims out of the global population.

And to add insult to injury, the indoctrination in the second instance would be paid for with tax dollars.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Let's imagine a trip to both. The trip to the Creationist museum would include a short lecture about how most of their theories are disproven, it's not science etc etc.
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Um, they don't do that. They make no mention that their theories are disproved, or that it's not science. It is presented as "This is how it is," not "This is how we think it is even though it flies in the face of all of the scientific evidence to have ever existed."

In fact, they engage in all-out proselytizing to visitors.

Darth Hussein Omar said:
And a trip to the Mosque would include some hard truths about historical Islam: how they nearly conquered Europe; how Mohammed personally oversaw the be heading of infidels in Arabia; and also, the role Islam plays in current world events.

That's called an education in both instances.
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No, it's really not. In the second instance it's education. In the first instance is nonsense and non-science being presented as fact.

Darth Hussein Omar said:
What the kids would most likely get in the second instance is the usual white-washed pap about how Islam is all love and light but was perverted by Osama bin Laden and maybe 5 or 6 Muslims out of the global population.

And to add insult to injury, the indoctrination in the second instance would be paid for with tax dollars.
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If it were to be presented as you suggest, it would be just as bad as the creation museum. However, if presented in context (in either scenario), there would at least be some merit. In the case of the creation museum, there is no merit.

Incidentally, the creation museum does in fact receive tax dollars. The Kentucky legislature made sure of that in 2011 when it set up more than $40 million in tax incentives to help the museum pay for an expansion. And, since public funds are not supposed to be used to advance religion, it's more than possible that providing funds to the creation museum is unconstitutional.
 
Did Nurse Darth narrowly escape death? :eek2:

A woman iwas fatally struck by a train while searching for a mythical beast known as the Pope Lick Monster — a half-man, half-goat said to live beneath a railway trestle.

Roquel Bain, 26, ventured onto a Norfolk Southern Railway with her boyfriend in their hunt for the Pope Lick Monster.

Urban legend says that the beast dwells beneath the railway by Pope Lick Creek.

But the couple apparently didn’t know the seemingly abandoned train track is still in use — a common mistake that local officials have warned about for years.

Police said the couple noticed a train barreling toward them and tried to get out of its way. Bain’s boyfriend dangled off the edge of the tracks, and emerged unscathed after climbing down. But Bain was struck by the train and plummeted more than 80 feet to the ground, police said. She was pronounced dead at the scene.




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kentucky-tourist-pope-lick-monster-killed-train-article-1.2614598
 
Stelakh said:
Um, they don't do that. They make no mention that their theories are disproved, or that it's not science. It is presented as "This is how it is," not "This is how we think it is even though it flies in the face of all of the scientific evidence to have ever existed."

In fact, they engage in all-out proselytizing to visitors.
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It's up to the teachers to step in, they're in charge of the education.

Stelakh said:
No, it's really not. In the second instance it's education. In the first instance is nonsense and non-science being presented as fact.

If it were to be presented as you suggest, it would be just as bad as the creation museum. However, if presented in context (in either scenario), there would at least be some merit. In the case of the creation museum, there is no merit.
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Are you saying Mohammed really didn't over see the beheading of infidels or that Islam is important in world events for some unfortunate reasons?

Are you saying the kids should be shielded from the truth? It sure sounds like it.

Stelakh said:
Incidentally, the creation museum does in fact receive tax dollars. The Kentucky legislature made sure of that in 2011 when it set up more than $40 million in tax incentives to help the museum pay for an expansion. And, since public funds are not supposed to be used to advance religion, it's more than possible that providing funds to the creation museum is unconstitutional.
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Both instances would be funded by tax dollars. The Kentucky legislature saw some dollar signs in the tourist industry; right or wrong, that should be up to Kentucky voters to say yay or nay to---in a more perfect constitutional republic. But that's another debate.

I don't believe you would sit still for an honest aprisal of Islam in a publicly funded field trip to a mosque and I know CAIR wouldn't.

They'd be shrieking 'Islamophobia' lol.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
It's up to the teachers to step in, they're in charge of the education.
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It's certainly up to the teachers to step in. But the only way to approach the creation museum (and I'm using lower-case on purpose with their name) is to tell students ahead of time: What you're about to see has no basis in science, fact or study.

Or, barring that, "Children, 'The Flintstones' was only PARTIALLY based on fact," depending on how sarcastic the teacher is, of course.

Darth Hussein Omar said:
Are you saying Mohammed really didn't over see the beheading of infidels or that Islam is important in world events for some unfortunate reasons?

Are you saying the kids should be shielded from the truth? It sure sounds like it.
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I said nothing of the kind. Why is it so many on these forums like to try and make you say something you didn't? It's amazing the frequency it happens on both sides of an argument.

Darth Hussein Omar said:
Both instances would be funded by tax dollars. The Kentucky legislature saw some dollar signs in the tourist industry; right or wrong, that should be up to Kentucky voters to say yay or nay to---in a more perfect constitutional republic. But that's another debate.
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I disagree, but again, that's another debate.

Darth Hussein Omar said:
I don't believe you would sit still for an honest aprisal of Islam in a publicly funded field trip to a mosque and I know CAIR wouldn't.
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In fact, I would sit still for an honest appraisal of anything. But you are correct in that I would not sit still for a field trip to any religiously-motivated venue where proselytizing and indoctrinating into a religion are the purpose of that venue. Nor would I advocate for sending students to a place where denial of truth, anti-intellectualism and the dismissal of empirical evidence are the order of the day.
 
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