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[The Dude]

All people are a mix of good and bad, being a slave-owner does not take away from their political philosophies.

My Great-Great Grandfather owned lots of slaves, I have a receipt of sale. It does not make him 100% evil.

All white men were created equal to them!
Any slave owner is as bad as a murderer in my book

 

[christiefan915]

Leon's your bitch and a fuckstick is what you are.

No one's head is exploding because Aunt Jemima is going on the $20. If you don't agree, that's too bad.

Leon or christie will comfort you.

Strange how you used the words "Aunt Jemima" to indicate your head isn't exploding. Please explain how a pancake mix symbol equals Harriet Tubman.

 

[CFM]

All people are a mix of good and bad, being a slave-owner does not take away from their political philosophies.

My Great-Great Grandfather owned lots of slaves, I have a receipt of sale. It does not make him 100% evil.

In the eyes of Troll and Leon it does. They consider me that way and my family didn't own a single slave.

 

[anatta]

Really, because its the Republicans here who argue that South was justified in its fight against "northern aggression".

the winners write the history books.

 

[CFM]

Strange how you used the words "Aunt Jemima" to indicate your head isn't exploding. Please explain how a pancake mix symbol equals Harriet Tubman.

I looked at a an artist image of H. Tubman and the label on the syrup container. They look similar.

 

[christiefan915]

Are you, Leon, The Dude, christiefan, and evince trying to create your own "trail" with your constant bitching and whining? You sure cry like a bunch of bitches.

Who's whining? We used to have reasonable people here who could argue opposite points of view without defaulting to racist and sexual insults. And then you and your ilk came along.

Obviously there has to be a counterpoint to your crap so deal with it.

 

[anatta]

All people are a mix of good and bad, being a slave-owner does not take away from their political philosophies.

My Great-Great Grandfather owned lots of slaves, I have a receipt of sale. It does not make him 100% evil.

in other words....do not read (judge) history thru 21st century values..
Look at things as they were (are).,.and not how you wish to see them -a basic Buddhist idea.

I find it incredible that the founders are dismissed as a "bunch of old white guys" - or slaveowners -
as if that is the sum total of whom they were..

They were products of the Age of Enlightenment --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
they were humans with human frailties, but they were truly craftsmen of what has become the longest Constitutional Republic.


same with the USA -there is no need to whitewash over our blemishes, but there is no need for blanket condemnation.
We self corrected for slavery, by a civil war.

 

[christiefan915]

I looked at a an artist image of H. Tubman and the label on the syrup container. They look similar.

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You did it to demean her. Don't lie.

 

[Jarod]

My point is true. It's not a matter of IF.

Great Britain didn't have Mother Government representatives in the colonies.

The difference is . . . there isn't one. The colonists fought an overbearing government going beyond it's authority and so did the South. Had you live in the latter 1700's, you would have been a Loyalist based on your desire for an overbearing national government doing things beyond what it has the authority to do. You do the very same thing today with the current federal government.

In 1860 you would have been a Democrat.

 

[CFM]

Who's whining? We used to have reasonable people here who could argue opposite points of view without defaulting to racist and sexual insults. And then you and your ilk came along.

Obviously there has to be a counterpoint to your crap so deal with it.

You. When people with opposite views express them, people like you make claims that we said something that you can't prove we said.

When you say reasonable people it sounds as if you mean those that agree with you. Anyone that disagrees with you is automatically labeled a racist, bigot, homophobe, etc.

 

[Jarod]

the winners write the history books.

Did they write the Republican Platform in 1860?

 

[CFM]

In 1860 you would have been a Democrat.

May family wan't here in 1860.

Does that mean you would have been a Republican?

 

[Jarod]

Who's whining? We used to have reasonable people here who could argue opposite points of view without defaulting to racist and sexual insults. And then you and your ilk came along.

Obviously there has to be a counterpoint to your crap so deal with it.

Its because the Reasonable people know that the current state of the "Conservative movement" is indefensible.

 

[The Dude]

History books are fantasy
Founding fathers were scumbags

 

[christiefan915]

You. When people with opposite views express them, people like you make claims that we said something that you can't prove we said.

When you say reasonable people it sounds as if you mean those that agree with you. Anyone that disagrees with you is automatically labeled a racist, bigot, homophobe, etc.

Try again. I agree with some of the cons here on some of the issues, and disagree with others. But we don't get into a name-calling pissing match over our disagreements.

 

[CFM]

You did it to demean her. Don't lie.

Prove it. Are you going to make another claim for which you can't prove.

 

[CFM]

Try again. I agree with some of the cons here on some of the issues, and disagree with others. But we don't get into a name-calling pissing match over our disagreements.

That's a lie.

 

[Jarod]

May family wan't here in 1860.

Does that mean you would have been a Republican?

Absolutely.

 

[christiefan915]

Its because the Reasonable people know that the current state of the "Conservative movement" is indefensible.

I've never seen like it. We live in interesting times.

 

[christiefan915]

That's a lie.

Prove it. Or is this just another statement that you can't prove.