Iran's Undercover Morality Police

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Iran's president criticized the use of thousands of undercover morality police in Tehran to report on young women who are not wearing a full Islamic hijab or those who play loud music in their cars.

Some 7,000 men and women officers began reporting such violations in Tehran, Iran's capital, on Monday. The head of police said the officers were not authorized to arrest anyone; they can only send reports of violations by text messages to police headquarters.

Asked about the undercover morality police, President Hassan Rouhani said such decisions should not be made by the government and he would keep his promise to preserve citizens' freedom.

"Our first duty is to respect people's dignity and personality. God has bestowed dignity to all human beings and this dignity precedes religion," Rouhani was quoted as saying by the news agency ISNA on Wednesday.

Iranian police are part of the armed forces and supervised by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, but the government has a say in their policies through the Interior Ministry.

The morality police in Iran usually detain women on the street for wearing bright clothes, a loose hijab or make-up, and men for "unacceptable" hair and clothing styles. They have sealed off barber shops for giving Western haircuts and cafes in which boys and girls were not observing Islamic law.

Rouhani came to office in 2013 mainly on the votes of young people, and he has disagreed with strict Islamic rules. Many young Iranians hoped that his presidency would be accompanied by an easing of cultural restrictions.

But hardliners have moved to block any relaxation of the Islamic Republic's social rules, warning of the "infiltration" of Western culture. They harshly criticized Rouhani last year for saying the police should enforce the law rather than Islam.

In 2014, he said "you can't send people to heaven by the whip," a comment that brought a reaction from the Supreme Leader.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rouhani-...e-over-undercover-hijab-agents-093720531.html
 
reminds me of the 60s when people on the street would actually give you shit about what you were wearing or be telling you to get a hair cut.


its way to right wing for me
 
evince said:
reminds me of the 60s when people on the street would actually give you shit about what you were wearing or be telling you to get a hair cut.
its way to right wing for me
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true enough,but I don't recall undercover hair cops.
This is the face of theocracy
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Indeed it is. But something something right wing Republicans lol.
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How about this, lol?



A community in Alabama is on the verge of banning saggy pants — and one lawmaker said it’s because God doesn’t like the look.

“I prayed about this,” Dadeville City Council member Frank Goodman said at last week’s council meeting. “I know that God would not go around with pants down.”

Goodman said that seeing saggy pants was “something I couldn’t take no more.”

So he asked God for some guidance on the issue.

“He would show me this saggy pant — it’s one of the things He did not do. It is not in His orders to do that to gain eternal life.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dadeville-saggy-pants-ban_us_55f7c70be4b09ecde1d99239


A Montana lawmaker wants to expand his state’s indecent exposure laws to outlaw yoga pants and other tight-fitting or revealing clothing.

State Rep. David Moore (R-Missoula) introduced a bill intended to preserve Montana’s reputation as a “decent state where people can live within the security of laws and protect their children and associates from degrading and indecent practices.”

The bill would outlaw any nipple exposure by men or women, along with any clothing that “gives the appearance or simulates” the buttocks, genitals, pelvic area, or female nipple.

State Rep. Virginia Court (D-Billings) said the bill appears to be “a little prejudiced against women.”

Moore admits he cannot be sure how police would use their discretion to enforce the law, but he doesn’t have a problem with arresting people who wear tight-fitting clothing.

“Yoga pants should be illegal in public anyway,” Moore said.

A person convicted three times for indecent exposure could be sentenced to life in jail and fined $10,000 under current state law, but Moore’s bill would limit that to five years in jail and $5,000.

The bill does not change the six-month jail term and $500 for a first offense or one-year jail term and $1,000 fine for a second offense.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gop-lawmaker-wants-arrest-and-jail-women-wearing-yoga-pants
 
Its very right wing. There are plenty of Fundamentalists in America who would love the power to enforce such restrictions on the streets of America.

It was not very long ago that Matthew Sheppard was killed for being gay in Texas.

I know plenty of gay people today who are afraid to walk down the street holding their spouse's hand. There are plenty of Conservatives who think it should be that way. Several of them who post here on this board. They are very comparable to the right wing Islamic fundy's.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Indeed it is. But something something right wing Republicans lol.
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no it's not nearly the same for all the talk of "American Taliban" we do not have anything like that..

We have written law ( Constitutional rights) and we have courts to protect us from tyrannical rules.
Something like this CANNOT HAPPEN here...when it does we have redress

What we do have is vigorous debate over the law, and where it starts and ends, and what our civil liberties exist.
They cannot be usurped by some theocratic rule
 
anatta said:
no it's not nearly the same for all the talk of "American Taliban" we do not have anything like that..

We have written law ( Constitutional rights) and we have courts to protect us from tyrannical rules.
Something like this CANNOT HAPPEN here...when it does we have redress

What we do have is vigorous debate over the law, and where it starts and ends, and what our civil liberties exist.
They cannot be usurped by some theocratic rule
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We have a populace that is afraid to walk down the street holding hands with a same sex partner. We have areas in the country where doing so will result in you being beaten or killed.
We have a segment of the population who thinks it should be that way.
 
Jarod said:
We have a populace that is afraid to walk down the street holding hands with a same sex partner. We have areas in the country where doing so will result in you being beaten or killed.
We have a segment of the population who thinks it should be that way.
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but it's not legally enforced,
(and I've never seen anyplace where gays holding hands puts them in danger -if there is some such place surely it's a notable exception.)

we do not have morality police
 
anatta said:
but it's not legally enforced, (and I've never seen anyplace where gays holding hands puts them in danger -if there is some such place surely it's a notable exception.)
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Is it?

Police are looking for at least one man, and possibly up to three, involved in the violent attack of a gay couple at a Miami Beach restaurant.

A Miami Beach police officer was standing in front of the police station when he noticed something going down right across the street.

It turns out 25-year-old Jordan Schaeffer, who was recently visiting Miami Beach from Los Angeles, had been attacked by a man inside the Whopper Bar at 1101 Washington Avenue at about 3 a.m. Monday.

Surveillance video from the March 14th incident captured the fight take place as more than a dozen people waited in line to order food.

Miami Beach Police said the confrontation happened after Schaeffer and his partner, 25-year-old Eric Danko, engaged in a display of affection. The couple told police their kiss offended a man in a dark shirt and shorts, who confronted them and harassed them “using derogatory words.”

“The subjects in this case happen to be gay individuals and that’s part of our investigation to see what provoked that attack,” explained Miami Beach police officer Ernesto Rodriguez.

That led to things getting physical and within moments, the men were wrestling on the restaurant floor.

“Had some sort of exchange with victims, a verbal exchange which escalated into a violent physical attack,” Rodriguez said.

Nearly a minute into the brawl, a second man in a light, long-sleeve shirt and jeans can be seen in the video keeping people from breaking up the fight. He also pushed away Schaeffer’s boyfriend who was wearing a gray tank top.

A police source close to the investigation told CBS4 the attacker in the dark shirt and shorts appears to be trained in some sort of martial arts or experienced in some sort of fighting.

Schaeffer was left with lacerations to his lip and police are now pursuing the case as a felony battery.

Miami Beach police are working with the state attorney’s office – taking this attack seriously.

“The clear message we wanna give to visitors and residents of Miami Beach and Miami-Dade County for that matter is there is no place for hate here,” Rodriguez said.

Schaeffer and his boyfriend have retained South Florida attorney Douglas Ede. Ede and the police report both indicate the couple believes this was a hate crime.

The brawl left the local community stunned.

“I’ve always had a great experience here,” said a man who only wanted to be identified as Kevin.

Kevin and his boyfriend walked right by the restaurant Thursday night hand in hand.

Kevin told CBS4 Reporter Donna Rapado that in 10 years of visiting Miami Beach and now living there, he’s always felt safe. The violent attack stunned him.

“It is scary,” Kevin told Rapado. “I think everybody should be accepting of who and what we choose to do in our lives. I mean I don’t always accept everything either but I don’t get violent towards it.”

Another man visiting again for his 60th birthday said the attack was surprising “in this day and age.”

“It is surprising that people concern themselves about what two people care about,” Mark Meyer explained. “There’s a lot of people in the world and if they’re afraid to get out and see it then maybe they should just stay home and not even go to a Burger King.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/03/31/video-gay-men-targeted-in-attack-at-south-beach-burger-shop/

The FBI has opened a hate-crime investigation after a man was accused of pouring boiled water on two gay men inside a suburban Atlanta apartment.

Steve Emmett of the FBI’s Atlanta office told WSB-AM on Friday that the agency is working with the College Park Police Department and the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office in investigating the February incident.

Authorities say 48-year-old Martin Blackwell, the boyfriend of the mother of victim Anthony Gooden, told investigators he was disgusted with Gooden’s relationship with Marquez Tolbert and poured “a little hot water on them.”

Tolbert was hospitalized for 10 days and had to undergo surgery. Gooden was released from a hospital two weeks ago.

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2016/03/21/fbi-begins-hate-crime-probe-after-gay-men-attacked-in-bed/


There are hundreds of such accounts, if you bother to search for them. Since the facts don't fit your narrative, I'll understand if you don't.


anatta said:
we do not have morality police
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It's not because the American Taliban isn't trying, it's because our Constitution forbids codifying discrimination.

http://newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2011/09/this-statement-is-not-bigotry-public.html
 
Jarod said:
Its very right wing. There are plenty of Fundamentalists in America who would love the power to enforce such restrictions on the streets of America.

It was not very long ago that Matthew Sheppard was killed for being gay in Texas.

I know plenty of gay people today who are afraid to walk down the street holding their spouse's hand. There are plenty of Conservatives who think it should be that way. Several of them who post here on this board. They are very comparable to the right wing Islamic fundy's.
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Wyoming not Texas and money and drugs not being homosexual.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
But something something right wing republicans lol.
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When they're not trying to legislate people's "morals" or clothing, they're trying to legislate government endorsement of a collection of fairy tales, lol.

Tennessee will not become the first state in the nation to make the Holy Bible its official book after an effort to override Gov. Bill Haslam's veto failed to receive enough support in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

With a 43-50 vote, the House failed to give the Senate a chance to vote to override Haslam’s veto.

The chamber discussed the controversial bill for nearly two hours.

Immediately after the vote, the measure's sponsor, Rep. Jerry Sexton, R, told reporters he knew the vote was a difficult one for many of his colleagues.

“It wasn’t the vote that I wanted," Sexton said. "It had a strong uphill climb but I believe that we came further and I believe that we made history here in Tennessee."

Despite the fact that the measure was debated for nearly two hours on what is expected to be the final day of the legislative session, Sexton defended his efforts saying the bill allowed lawmakers to have a serious discussion about religion, the Bible and overall values.

"There is so much oppression today of Christian beliefs and values it seems it is not the popular thing to do," he said. "I stand today to say that I'm a Christian and I'm proud that I am and I'm proud that I live in a country that I have the freedom to do that."

Although the initial attempt to override Haslam's veto failed, under House rules, Sexton could request to hold a subsequent vote later today, because it's the last day of session.

"Nothing in this rule shall serve to prohibit the filing of subsequent notices to move the House to pass the bill or resolution, notwithstanding the objections of the executive, if affirmative actions is not taken on the motion first noticed," states House rule 78, which pertains to vetoes.


http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2016/04/20/tennessee-general-assembly-bible-veto-override-vote/83263302/
 
anatta said:
but it's not legally enforced,
(and I've never seen anyplace where gays holding hands puts them in danger -if there is some such place surely it's a notable exception.)

we do not have morality police
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Its not legally enforced in Iran. These are self appointed morality police supported by certain Mosques, not the government.
 
anatta said:
but it's not legally enforced,
(and I've never seen anyplace where gays holding hands puts them in danger -if there is some such place surely it's a notable exception.)

we do not have morality police
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No we don't, but in a country the size of ours there's going to be some religious cranks. And some people are goofy enough to try and use them to draw an equivalency to Iran or other Muslim countries.

In Iran you have an actual theocracy. There has NEVER been a theocracy in this country or even the threat of one because it was founded on religious liberty and theocratic rule is an anathema to that principle. The founders valued religious liberty so much they enshrined it in the first few lines of the First Amendment.

At any rate, some people are ideologically vested in the narrative that this country is under threat, not from radical Muslims, but from an endogenous population of radical Christians that would resurrect witch burning or what have you.

They're pretty goofy.
 
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