Is Political discussion dead for this season?

Jarod

Jarod

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So with very few rational posters supporting the Republican options for nomination this board is seriously lacking in political discussion.

I used to relish this time of year every four years, especially when an incumbent president is retiring. It has in the past sparked interesting and worthy debate about the principals and priorities of our nation. I have enjoyed learning from the debate and discussion of elections.

Its not just this board, but among my friends. I personally only know three people supporting Trump, and none of them are the type to discuss politics. I have found that, for the most part, Trump supporters are not willing to engage in rational discussion about politics or why they support the candidate.

So, I ask, are any Trump supporters willing to engage in honest intelligent presidential politics in this election season? Does anyone want to offer an honest intelligent defense of supporting Donald Trump for President?
 
What's honest and intellegent to you ?
It gets talked about often enough until evince wanders in and starts shutting all over. And you tend to only be interested in gotchas which limits things needlessly.

Having a very unusual candidate in the mix is a game changer so if things are not going according to Hoyle it's not surprising.
 
Celticguy said:
What's honest and intellegent to you ?
It gets talked about often enough until evince wanders in and starts shutting all over. And you tend to only be interested in gotchas which limits things needlessly.

Having a very unusual candidate in the mix is a game changer so if things are not going according to Hoyle it's not surprising.
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An honest discussion is one where logic is presented and consistency is used as an element of discussion.

Where the participants don't hide behind ad hominin and non-sequiturs.
 
ITs the day the music died!

Maybe after the nomination we can discuss again...
 
Trump is more watched then discussed.
It's American Politics at it's perfection; Big Show ( wait for the dog and ponies -we got plenty of clowns all around)

The knife fight as of late has been the Democrats - Hillary seeks to "put Bernie away" tonight
 
tsuke said:
you can ask me anything u want :)
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Do you support Trump for the Republican nomination?

Why?

What is his plan for healthcare reform?
What is his plan for Afghanistan?
How is he going to deport so many people?
 
Jarod said:
Do you support Trump for the Republican nomination?

Why?

What is his plan for healthcare reform?
What is his plan for Afghanistan?
How is he going to deport so many people?
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regarding the first one i think that he is the only one whose "soul" or internal motivation is beneficial for the US. He is an egomaniac who will only be satisfied if he is the best which helps the country. Here I wrote more in detail about it here https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/soul-of-the-candidates/

regarding healthcare it is really all about america first. The reason why we cant have proper healthcare is that our drug costs are too high. Our drug costs are high because companies recoup their investments here for research instead of europe which is price controlled. Like NATO for the military we are subsidizing their healthcare. America first means we put up our own price controls so everyone has to chip in for the research costs. I wrote more about it here https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/research-colony/

Regarding afghanistan. Leave it alone and if they hit us first hit back harder than they do. Just make sure the revenge attacks are always certain and disproportionate (1000 times the damage they do)

Regarding deporting. Combination of everify and law enforcement as well as cutting off beenfits. Thats the logical way. If you want a humane way he can do this

1. Cut of all benefits to them so that they have to turn themselves in

2. Declare that all post offices or **insert random building** here will be an extension of the mexican embassy (i.e. mexican soil) for one week.

3. Illegal immigrants fill out a form. If they have steady job and are contributing to the economy they can have a temporary work visa as they apply the right way after a fine of course. On the plus side they are now entitled to minimum wage. They have to go to the post offices or whatever first so they will be deported to mexican soil

4. any crinimal record of any sort and you go back to mexico. If you dont have a job you go back there as well. If your a student who is passing you can stay on an student visa while your regular application goes thru.

Any thoughts? Technically if they go to the post office they could be considered to have been deported. This way we get the best ones and the rejects go back to mexico.
 
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Jarod said:
An honest discussion is one where logic is presented and consistency is used as an element of discussion.

Where the participants don't hide behind ad hominin and non-sequiturs.
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You mean when you start bashing Christmas a day after Christmas.

You're in no position to criticize the flow of conversation here but I will admit that you are certainly no troll. The biggest problem this forum has is this business that trolling is free speech. It is not. it is instead, the suppression of free speech.

Your determination meter however is controlled by partisan bias and I'd like to see you start complaining about the trolls while putting partisan politics aside.
 
I am still waiting for why would someone vote for Hillary a known crook and liar, other than the fact that she may have a vagina....
 
Jarod said:
Do you support Trump for the Republican nomination?

Why?

What is his plan for healthcare reform?
What is his plan for Afghanistan?
How is he going to deport so many people?
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Trump ? Yes
Why ? He changes the paradigm which needs changing
Plan for Healthcare ? Judge what Congress comes up with. It either goes far enough or it doesnt. But they're the legislators.
Afghanistan ? Project strength and see what doesn't happen.
Illegals ? Make them sense that they are unwelcome and get out of the way as they leave.
 
tsuke said:
regarding the first one i think that he is the only one whose "soul" or internal motivation is beneficial for the US. He is an egomaniac who will only be satisfied if he is the best which helps the country. Here I wrote more in detail about it here https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/soul-of-the-candidates/

regarding healthcare it is really all about america first. The reason why we cant have proper healthcare is that our drug costs are too high. Our drug costs are high because companies recoup their investments here for research instead of europe which is price controlled. Like NATO for the military we are subsidizing their healthcare. America first means we put up our own price controls so everyone has to chip in for the research costs. I wrote more about it here https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/research-colony/

Regarding afghanistan. Leave it alone and if they hit us first hit back harder than they do. Just make sure the revenge attacks are always certain and disproportionate (1000 times the damage they do)

Regarding deporting. Combination of everify and law enforcement as well as cutting off beenfits. Thats the logical way. If you want a humane way he can do this

1. Cut of all benefits to them so that they have to turn themselves in

2. Declare that all post offices or **insert random building** here will be an extension of the mexican embassy (i.e. mexican soil) for one week.

3. Illegal immigrants fill out a form. If they have steady job and are contributing to the economy they can have a temporary work visa as they apply the right way after a fine of course. On the plus side they are now entitled to minimum wage. They have to go to the post offices or whatever first so they will be deported to mexican soil

4. any crinimal record of any sort and you go back to mexico. If you dont have a job you go back there as well. If your a student who is passing you can stay on an student visa while your regular application goes thru.

Any thoughts? Technically if they go to the post office they could be considered to have been deported. This way we get the best ones and the rejects go back to mexico.
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Thank you! Ill take my time to read this and your links and maybe we can discuss. Glad to get your response. It will be tomorrow before I can give you the time this deserves.
 
Jarod said:
So with very few rational posters supporting the Republican options for nomination this board is seriously lacking in political discussion.

I used to relish this time of year every four years, especially when an incumbent president is retiring. It has in the past sparked interesting and worthy debate about the principals and priorities of our nation. I have enjoyed learning from the debate and discussion of elections.

Its not just this board, but among my friends. I personally only know three people supporting Trump, and none of them are the type to discuss politics. I have found that, for the most part, Trump supporters are not willing to engage in rational discussion about politics or why they support the candidate.

So, I ask, are any Trump supporters willing to engage in honest intelligent presidential politics in this election season? Does anyone want to offer an honest intelligent defense of supporting Donald Trump for President?
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Have you ever thought maybe it's you? What I mean by that is maybe people think that you aren't worth the time? Just a thought
 
tsuke said:
regarding the first one i think that he is the only one whose "soul" or internal motivation is beneficial for the US. He is an egomaniac who will only be satisfied if he is the best which helps the country. Here I wrote more in detail about it here https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/soul-of-the-candidates/

regarding healthcare it is really all about america first. The reason why we cant have proper healthcare is that our drug costs are too high. Our drug costs are high because companies recoup their investments here for research instead of europe which is price controlled. Like NATO for the military we are subsidizing their healthcare. America first means we put up our own price controls so everyone has to chip in for the research costs. I wrote more about it here https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/research-colony/

Regarding afghanistan. Leave it alone and if they hit us first hit back harder than they do. Just make sure the revenge attacks are always certain and disproportionate (1000 times the damage they do)

Regarding deporting. Combination of everify and law enforcement as well as cutting off beenfits. Thats the logical way. If you want a humane way he can do this

1. Cut of all benefits to them so that they have to turn themselves in

2. Declare that all post offices or **insert random building** here will be an extension of the mexican embassy (i.e. mexican soil) for one week.

3. Illegal immigrants fill out a form. If they have steady job and are contributing to the economy they can have a temporary work visa as they apply the right way after a fine of course. On the plus side they are now entitled to minimum wage. They have to go to the post offices or whatever first so they will be deported to mexican soil

4. any crinimal record of any sort and you go back to mexico. If you dont have a job you go back there as well. If your a student who is passing you can stay on an student visa while your regular application goes thru.

Any thoughts? Technically if they go to the post office they could be considered to have been deported. This way we get the best ones and the rejects go back to mexico.
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You posted a lot and it will take me a while to sort through it, first let me say I am very impressed. You have really thought this out and taken the extra step to publish real thoughts about these issues. You have taken this hobby of posting a step further and acted on it. I love it.

I read your blog about Trump's soul. Here is the problem with it. I don't disagree with your basic assumptions about the soul of the candidates, but I disagree with your conclusion about an egomaniac such as Trump being tied to success. He is only tied to being able to convince himself he has been successful. A man like Trump has spent decades developing that ability, but its pure showmanship.

Trump has illustrated over and over again that he has the ability to see himself in mirrors distorted by his brain to reflect success no matter the outcome. He declared victory when he lost. He has repeatedly cast his bankruptcies as normal "business practices". You can see old interviews where he claims businesses he is involved in are performing "terrifically" when the facts later show they were not.

We have had presidents who refuse to hear any information that does not fit their preconceived narrative, I believe its what got us into Iraq. Colin Powel famously warned Bush that his Iraq assessment was incorrect, and was famously pushed out of the inner circle. Trump is not simply an egomaniac, he is a true narcissist. The difference is that he is unwilling to believe or see anything that does not confirm that he is anything but perfect and a step above the normal human. This is dangerous in a man with power. Trump will declare victory no matter what the outcome and knows ahead of time he will never allow himself to be held accountable for anything. A person like this does not live in reality but a universe manipulated by ego that prevents reality from being acknowledged by the brain.
 
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