2016 Greenland melt season is off to the races - what's up with that?

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Nothing to see here, move along.
 
Leonthecat said:
We are well aware of the upcoming spring storm, that may be snow and may be rain, Borbo. As you know snow storms have little indication of changes in climate temperatures, especially here in the mountains.
If average temperatures are supposed to be 15 degrees F and the climate warms by 10 degrees to 25F IT WILL STILL SNOW GENIUS!
Since February our average daily temperature here has been as much as a whooping 5 to 10 degrees F above normal . The ice on the lake near my home never got thick enough for safe ice fishing this year. A first for everyone I have talked to. My home heating bill has gone down an average of 50 to 60 dollars a month compared to just last year.
Over the past 10 years the pine bark beetle population has grown exponentially because the -30 to-40 temps that historically occurred here that killed the grubs haven't happened. As a result the lodgepole pine forest are all but gone, decimated by the run away pine bark beetle infestation. Hundreds of millions of acres decimated due solely to global climate change that caused abnormally high lows OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS...
Yes it still snows here but the climate has changed drastically since I moved here 26 years ago, and alarmingly so this record breaking warm winter

SNOW FALL IS IN NO WAY AN INDICATOR OF AVERAGE TEMPERATURE ABOVE 8000 FEET. ONLY AN IMBECILE WOULD THINK THAT IT IS.

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The warmest readings for the month were reported from the Northern Rockies into the Northern Plains and across the Northeast. Northern California, parts of Oregon and some small areas in northern Colorado reported near-average March temperatures.
For the first three months of 2016, NOAA reports that 32 states across West, Great Plains, Midwest and Northeast were much warmer than average. The year-to-date is the warmest since 2012, which was marked by a sizzling spring and ferocious summer heatwaves. Overall, it was the third-warmest January-March period for the lower 48 states.
Alaska has been record warm for the year-to-date, with the temperature running 11.9 degrees above average for the first three months of 2016. Record readings came from across Alaska, including Barrow, Bethel, Homer, Juneau and King Salmon. For the first time in the modern era of record-keeping, temperatures in southeaster Alaska reached 70 degrees in March.
https://summitcountyvoice.com/2016/04/06/climate-all-u-s-states-saw-above-average-temps-in-march/
Summit County records three days of record-breaking high temperatures
Summit County recorded a rare, mid-March heat wave when Sunday, Monday and Tuesday saw record-breaking high temperatures.

According to data produced by Colorado State University’s Colorado Climate Center, Sunday’s high temperature was 58 degrees, which broke the record of 57 degrees that dates all the way back to 1916.

Temperatures and other weather data is officially recorded every day by Denver Water staff at the weather station on the northeast edge of Dillon Reservoir.

Monday’s high temperature rose to 60 degrees, besting the 1994 record of 57, and then Tuesday’s high climbed to 61 degrees, higher than the 58-degree record set in 1921.

Wednesday morning’s low temperature of 27 degrees tied for second warmest on record for the day, behind the 30-degree record set in 1974.

With this week’s high temperatures, snow coverage shrunk rapidly around parts of the county.

“You’ve been melting quite swiftly here just the last few days,” said Nolan Doesken, state climatologist with the center.

In Silverthorne, the Ravens Golf Course closed to snowshoeing and Nordic skiing Wednesday and the North Pond Park ice rink closed about 10 days ago.

WARM SEASON

Low temperatures came closer to setting a new record. The winter’s mean low temperature of 8.7 degrees is the second warmest.

The overall mean temperature, which is the average of the highs and lows for the season, is the fourth warmest at 21.5 degrees. The warmest winter was in 1980-81 with a mean temperature of 24.2 degrees.



MELTING SNOWPACK



Lower in the valleys, Doesken said, the data produced by the roughly 10 volunteers in Summit County who measure snowpack for the Community Collaborative Rain, Hail and Snow Network dropped quickly out of the top 50 spots in the U.S. and Canada for most backyard snowpack with the heat wave.

“Today it’s down to just the Breckenridge station,” he said Wednesday. “Downtown Boston still has more snow today than Frisco.”

Addressing climate change concerns, Doesken said ski areas in Summit County are uniquely positioned compared to the rest of the country because of their high elevation.

“Those 9,000 feet and above are in good shape for a long time,” he said. “When the climate changes so much that we’re not holding snow at those altitudes then things are crazy.”

Local ski area officials, however, have expressed long-range concerns about how a drop in interest in winter sports nationally over the next few decades because of warm, dry weather elsewhere could negatively affect Colorado resorts.

LOOKING FORWARD

The National Weather Service forecasted a 50 percent chance of rain and snow for Frisco on Thursday with a high of 40 degrees and placed a winter storm warning in effect until Thursday at 6 p.m.

Friday and Saturday will be sunny with highs in the upper 40s, and Sunday through Tuesday will see similar temperatures with chances of precipitation.

Winter sports enthusiasts wishing they could take snow from the east coasters who would surely give it can hope for a return of the snow similar to what happened in the spring of 2013.

“Temperatures weren’t quite as warm, but the snowpack was pitiful,” he said. “Then starting the end of March it turned around, and you had some of your best conditions as the ski areas were closing.”

March is typically Summit’s snowiest month, he said, followed by April.

In February the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicted above average precipitation for Colorado in March, April and May, and NOAA will release an updated forecast Thursday.
http://www.summitdaily.com/news/15534604-113/summit-county-records-three-days-of-record-breaking-high-temperatures
Record highs in Aspen renew winter climate concerns

Monday marked the fifth consecutive day of 50-degree temperatures in Aspen, and each of those days set record highs, based on 17 years of National Weather Service data at the Aspen-Pitkin County Airport.

http://www.aspentimes.com/news/15008477-113/meteorologist-sees-big-winters-ahead

This Was the Warmest Winter on Record
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New data confirms above-average temperatures
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New data suggests that the United States is in the midst of the warmest winter on record. NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information just released its State of the Climate: National Overview for February 2016 report tracking weather stats for December through February. The data reveals record high average temperatures across the contiguous U.S.

East Coast skiers know that this winter has been tough with little moisture and warm temperatures. The average temp was 36.8°F, which surpasses the previous record of 36.5°F set in 1999/2000. Just how warm has it been? Forty-six states across the U.S. had an above average winter temperature.

http://ski.curbed.com/2016/3/11/11196048/warmest-winter-on-record

Poor stupid ,stupid Borbo.
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Translation:
Leon standing in his yard, shaking his fist at the sky, while shouting:
"DAMN THAT GLOBAL WARMING; er.<cough-cough> CLIMATE CHANGE - DAMN YOU"
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Translation:
Leon standing in his yard, shaking his fist at the sky, while shouting:
"DAMN THAT GLOBAL WARMING; er.<cough-cough> CLIMATE CHANGE - DAMN YOU"
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I have never shook my fist at the the sky Ma'am. There is another one of you silly lies.
Is shaking your fist at the sky something you do?
Maybe when you are drinking, huh?
 
Leonthecat said:
I have never shook my fist at the the sky Ma'am. There is another one of you silly lies.
Is shaking your fist at the sky something you do?
Maybe when you are drinking, huh?
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Damn, Pussy
Sarcasm just slides right off the top of your pointy little cranium, doesn't it. :palm:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Damn, Pussy
Sarcasm just slides right off the top of your pointy little cranium, doesn't it. :palm:
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Sarcasm is a literary device that requires a sardonic wit and a flare for refective intellectual repartee to carry off effectually.
You come off as a highschool girl making things up about a classmate so her friends will giggle with her.
Big difference ma'am.
 
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Leonthecat said:
Sarcasm is a literary device that requires a sardonic wit and a flare for refective intellectual repartee to carry off effectually.
You come off as a highschool girl making things up about a classmate so her friends will giggle with her.
Big difference ma'am.
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Are you sure, Pussy?
 


49 Former NASA Scientists Send A Letter Disputing Climate Change

Some prominent voices at NASA are fed up with the agency's activist stance toward climate change. The following letter asking the agency to move away from climate models and to limit its stance to what can be empirically proven, was sent by 49 former NASA scientists and astronauts. The letter criticizes the Goddard Institute For Space Studies especially, where director Jim Hansen and climatologist Gavin Schmidt have been outspoken advocates for action.

The press release with attached letter is below.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Blanquita Cullum 703-307-9510 bqview at mac.com
Joint letter to NASA Administrator blasts agency’s policy of ignoring empirical evidence
HOUSTON, TX – April 10, 2012.

49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for it’s role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question.

The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, are dismayed over the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change. They charge that NASA is relying too heavily on complex climate models that have proven scientifically inadequate in predicting climate only one or two decades in advance.

H. Leighton Steward, chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2, noted that many of the former NASA scientists harboured doubts about the significance of the C02-climate change theory and have concerns over NASA’s advocacy on the issue. While making presentations in late 2011 to many of the signatories of the letter, Steward realized that the NASA scientists should make their concerns known to NASA and the GISS.

“These American heroes – the astronauts that took to space and the scientists and engineers that put them there – are simply stating their concern over NASA’s extreme advocacy for an unproven theory,” said Leighton Steward. “There’s a concern that if it turns out that CO2 is not a major cause of climate change, NASA will have put the reputation of NASA, NASA’s current and former employees, and even the very reputation of science itself at risk of public ridicule and distrust.”

The full text of the letter:

March 28, 2012
The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,
(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science
CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

/s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years
/s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years
/s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years
/s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years
/s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years
/s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years
/s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years
/s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years
/s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years
/s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years
/s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years
/s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years
/s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years
/s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years
/s/ Anita Gale
/s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years
/s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years
/s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years
/s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years
/s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years
/s/ Thomas J. Harmon
/s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years
/s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years
/s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years
/s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years
/s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years
/s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years
/s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years
/s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years
/s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen
/s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years
/s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years
/s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years
/s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years
/s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years
/s/ Tom Ohesorge
/s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years
/s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years
/s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate,40 years
/s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years
/s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years
/s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years
/s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years
/s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years/s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years
/s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years
/s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years
/s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years
/s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years
/s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years

http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4?IR=T
 
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2012 ? Deceptive little twerp, aincha.

Now show recent statements by these , er, eminent figures.
 
moon2012 said:
2012 ? Deceptive little twerp, aincha.

Now show recent statements by these , er, eminent figures.
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How the fuck is that deceptive? The date is clearly shown in that letter to Charles Bolden!! Seemingly nothing has changed other than James Hansen being kicked however Gavin Schmidt is almost as bad!! :palm:
 
That's right- and it might as well be written on parchment. This is 2016. Last week's climatic predictions are outdated.
You're a soot salesman.
 
moon2012 said:
As I said- you're a soot salesman.
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Wow you started at 8:14am BST today, I admire your work ethic at least even though you spout bullshit for the most part. I refer you to post #36, othering is so you!!

Obama and the Pope are examples of bellwethers; the sheep with the bell that the other sheep follow. Bellwether is not a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive term. The job of a political bellwether is to indicate the position that their followers should take in their everyday conversations. Obama and the Pope’s latest speeches function as position papers for the delegates of all right thinking people. You meet these people at work, church, school, at the coffee house, etc. The delegates will mirror the words that the President or the Pope used to identify other in-group members, normalize beliefs and mock out-group members. One of the main themes of both speeches was shame. Shame on those who aren’t right thinking people. Shame that they aren’t as intelligent and capable as “us.”

That type of smugness is almost impossible to penetrate. When a skeptic questions a warmist’s view on global warming/climate change, the warmist hears something vastly different than what the skeptic is saying. A skeptic might say, “The models don’t match the actual measured results.” What the warmist hears is how stupid deniers are because that’s what John Stewart told him he should think. If the warmist doesn’t prove that he thinks skeptics are stupid then he might be confused for a denier! And no one wants to be identified with being a denier because they’re mocked, don’t get tenure and don’t get invited to the right parties. No amount of science can penetrate the ROI the warmist has internalized in believing in CAGW.

Many of the warmists are running on pure rational ignorance. Rational ignorance is a belief that the cost/benefit to researching every issue is so low as to be a net negative in time utilization. Thus the ignorance is rational and everyone utilizes this mental process on certain topics. People who are rationally ignorant about global warming look to bellwethers that support their gut stance. Rationally ignorant warmists would look to world leaders, mockutainers and warmist scientists for guidance on how to communicate their position on global warming.

Penetrating rational ignorance is tough because the position warmists have taken isn’t based on logic. Their position is actually based on an appeal to authority. To question the rationally ignorant warmist is to question the field of science as a whole (to be a science denier) or to question the leadership of their favorite bellwether personalities. This will cause the rationally ignorant warmist to become defensive and try to stand up for their favorite bellwether. The rationally ignorant will also point to their favorite bellwethers and say, “Who am I to doubt all these intelligent people?” It’s intellectually offshoring. It’s lazy. It’s human nature.

The scientific method rejects outright in-group/out groups, Othering, bellwethers and rational ignorance. A scientist is supposed to follow the results on an experiment even if the results don’t support his hypothesis. The scientist is clearly not supposed to rig the data to ensure he gets invited to a party with the right people or continued funding. But science has a poor track record on controversial topics. It often takes decades to accept new theories that are clear winners (e.g., continental drift).
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http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ces-what-s-up-with-that&p=1590145#post1590145
 
moon2012 said:
That's right- and it might as well be written on parchment. This is 2016. Last week's climatic predictions are outdated.
You're a soot salesman.
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So all the climate predictions, from last week, that were saying there is global warming, are outdated!! :good4u:
 
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