Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again

you help the poor..do you enable poverty? there is something to that -fer sure I've seen "cycles of dependency" at work in poor
neighborhoods. Being poor of ANY race is a severe handicap in making it out of poverty *duh*

But then again I've seen strong leadership/black leadership help cut the cycle, and empower poor people of any race

It's not one or the other. It takes a concerted effort. In the end people gota help themselves, but we can open avenues to success
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't know, cawacko. Tired old memes about liberals destroying blacks, white, God-fearing people etc. Is there any writer out there who can advance the discussion without blaming liberals? Riley's title sounds like something Ann Coulter would write.

I think it's a convenient excuse to blame liberals for everything. It keeps people from examining their own contribution to the problems.

Notice I'm criticizing the "liberal" part of their comments, not the black perspective in general.
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Is blaming liberals for everything any different than blaming white males for everything?

If you could put your finger on only one problem that afflicts black communities it's lack of fathers and positive male role models. And the sad fact is that the government can't fix that.

One of the reasons blacks tend to vote for democrats is that democrats tend to tell the black community that if you vote for me, X will happen, and your lives will be better. Whether knowingly or unknowingly, blacks are sold a bill of goods by democrats. Which explains why nothing much positive ever happens in so many places with high concentration of poor blacks governed by democrats. The government just doesn't have the answers for their problems; in fact, often times government policy just exacerbates it.

For example, why get married and lose the big tax return? Men who aren't married are more apt to roam and leave their children to grow up without a stable father figure. And people wonder why so many young males turn violent or get on drugs or etc.

When the family breaks down, the society will soon follow suit. And this isn't just 'a black thing' since it can and will happen to any community.

It's not the kind of problem you're going to fix by voting Democrat or Republican.
 
Thing1 said:
That really misses the point of BLM.

BLM is more about discriminatory policies. Of course everyone cares about all kinds of crime & murder, but BLM is specifically targeted at those actions and attitudes that result from racism and discrimination.
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Exactly. And like cawacko says, BLM is specifically about policing. OR WAS. It has morphed into a many-headed beast tasked with sniffing out racism and discrimination, and IMHO, inventing it when it can't be found.
"Black on black crime" is going to be a thing as long as predominantly white police departments police predominantly black communities. Same thing in reverse, except predominantly white police departments are policing predominantly white communities. It's a fact of life, evidently, and it's a gold mine for BLM.
 
If this were my party the numbers would be disturbing. Nobody's going to tell me that blacks mainly have been supporting Democrats for 80 years because they think they'll get free stuff. Note the big jump after 1964, presumably due to Johnson passing the Civil Rights Act. It's about discrimination, not stuff.



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http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/
 
christiefan915 said:
You guys obviously don't like her posts and that's your prerogative. Maybe you don't think the guys she attacked were really dealers but I'm not willing to make that leap without evidence. I'm taking her post at face value and believe what she said about the guys. I think drug dealers are despicable, thieving scum of the earth who prey on weak people, cause major problems in society and don't deserve the slightest bit of courtesy or respect no matter their color. Hosing and spitting are far less than they deserved. RacistX did brag about doing the same thing, to gays I believe, but he never said the people were drug dealers. People like him and CL hate and target blacks for no other reason than skin color. What I don't understand is why you guys want to overlook the drug dealer part and focus on the spitting, but if you think it's not true then you have to prove it.
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You obviously like her posts and that's your prerogative. Maybe you think the guys she attacked were really dealers but I'm not willing to make that leap without evidence.

I'm not taking her post at face value and don't believe what she said about the guys. I think racists are despicable, hating scum of the earth who spit on black people, cause major problems in society and don't deserve the slightest bit of courtesy or respect no matter their politics. Hosing and spitting are far more than two men who are innocent until proven guilty deserved.

Desh did brag about spitting on a man, a black man I believe, but she said he was a drug dealer. People like you and Desh give questionable behavior a pass for no other reason than liking the perpetrator.

What I don't understand is why you want to overlook the lack of evidence that they were drug dealers part and focus on your affection for Desh, but if you think it's true then you have to prove it. :D
 
christiefan915 said:
If this were my party the numbers would be disturbing. Nobody's going to tell me that blacks mainly have been supporting Democrats for 80 years because they think they'll get free stuff. Note the big jump after 1964, presumably due to Johnson passing the Civil Rights Act. It's about discrimination, not stuff.



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http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/
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At the end of the day political parties care about winning elections. Black votes don't count double or more than anyone else's.

Ultimately the black community will decide if they get their best return on their investment in so strongly backing the Democratic Party.

If the Republican Party continues to lose national elections it's going to have to change how it appeals to minority voters. From a Republican perspective the ROI is probably much better with Hispanic voters than blacks.
 
"Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again"...

My guess is if others stopped saying, "Black Lives Matter" and saying it is racist to simply say that "All Lives Matter" you would hear less about the 'black on black crime'. Unfortunately far, far, far more black people die at the hands of crime than at the hands of cops.
 
Damocles said:
"Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again"...

My guess is if others stopped saying, "Black Lives Matter" and saying it is racist to simply say that "All Lives Matter" you would hear less about the 'black on black crime'. Unfortunately far, far, far more black people die at the hands of crime than at the hands of cops.
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Astoundingly, it doesn't seem to be apparent to everyone. Or if it is, they simply deny it.

But there's a couple unhealthy patterns at work here: one is, cops have become scapegoats. Rather than talk about the problems in parts of the black community, they use cops as a means to divert and deflect. Not that the cops vs black problem is non-existent. There are bad and even racist cops, but the numbers of [*innocent*] blacks who are harmed or killed by them are absolutely dwarfed by the number of innocent blacks killed by other blacks.

Secondly is the language thing: add not uttering 'black on black crime' to the list of things thou shalt not utter. Radical Islam is another. Note the psychology is nearly identical: rather than address the problems within the global Muslim community---or in Islam itself, scapegoat Israel, western imperialism, Bush's war, the Crusades and etc.

Anything, but Muslims or Islam. It's an unhealthy pattern in the sense that serious problems aren't being addressed in both instances, so they just continue to fester.
 
Damocles said:
"Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again"...

My guess is if others stopped saying, "Black Lives Matter" and saying it is racist to simply say that "All Lives Matter" you would hear less about the 'black on black crime'. Unfortunately far, far, far more black people die at the hands of crime than at the hands of cops.
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Because you force them into racist slums and destroy thousand of Mexican lives to sell them drugs. Why shouldn't blsck lives matter as much as yours?
 
iolo said:
Because you force them into racist slums and destroy thousand of Mexican lives to sell them drugs. Why shouldn't blsck lives matter as much as yours?
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When have I ever forced anybody into a racist slum? Think long and hard. Note first that my ancestry isn't just "white" and work from there.

After you are done backpedaling and attempting to make up some reason how the actions of others is "my" fault let's start to look into how much responsibility people have for their own actions.

We can't talk about race relations or racism with any sanity or effectiveness until we begin at a level of understanding and treat people involved in the conversation as if they are actually people. Let's start with something simple, do all lives matter to you?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Astoundingly, it doesn't seem to be apparent to everyone. Or if it is, they simply deny it.

But there's a couple unhealthy patterns at work here: one is, cops have become scapegoats. Rather than talk about the problems in parts of the black community, they use cops as a means to divert and deflect. Not that the cops vs black problem is non-existent. There are bad and even racist cops, but the numbers of [*innocent*] blacks who are harmed or killed by them are absolutely dwarfed by the number of innocent blacks killed by other blacks.

Secondly is the language thing: add not uttering 'black on black crime' to the list of things thou shalt not utter. Radical Islam is another. Note the psychology is nearly identical: rather than address the problems within the global Muslim community---or in Islam itself, scapegoat Israel, western imperialism, Bush's war, the Crusades and etc.

Anything, but Muslims or Islam. It's an unhealthy pattern in the sense that serious problems aren't being addressed in both instances, so they just continue to fester.
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I'm wondering why they aren't talking about how to behave when approached by an Officer and what NOT TO DO, in order to lower your chances of being shot.
It seems to me that some people feel entitled to act out and fot there to be no consequeces.
 
Damocles said:
"Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again"...

My guess is if others stopped saying, "Black Lives Matter" and saying it is racist to simply say that "All Lives Matter" you would hear less about the 'black on black crime'. Unfortunately far, far, far more black people die at the hands of crime than at the hands of cops.
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:rolleyes: People were talking about black on black crime long before BLM. It's the favorite subject of, shall we say, a certain group of people.
 
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