Let’s debunk GOP myth of why blacks vote Democratic

christiefan915

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Here is a black writer's opinion on the meme that most blacks vote for Dems because they get free stuff.

"GOP presidential candidate Jeb Bush, in response to how Republicans can woo African-American voters, responded, “Our message is one of hope and aspiration. It isn’t one of division and ‘Get in line, and we’ll take care of you with free stuff.’ ”

This idea that Democrats earn minority votes with “free stuff” is an article of faith in the Republican Party. In 2012, Newt Gingrich said blacks should want paychecks and not food stamps. Rick Santorum said he didn’t want to give black people someone else’s money and that they should earn their own. And then there was GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney blaming his defeat on President Barack Obama giving “gifts” to blacks. So evidently there’s something free that black folks are getting that no other group is getting. I’ve been checking my mailbox and looking out for the UPS truck, but I don’t seem to be getting this government swag bag that my peeps are getting.

Is it food stamps? According to the Department of Agriculture, 25.7 percent of food stamp users are black, while 40.2 percent are white. So this isn’t it. It’s not Medicaid, either. According to the Henry J. Kaiser Foundation, 41 percent of non-elderly Medicaid users are white and 21 percent are black. Since the Affordable Care Act went into effect, more than 16.4 million more Americans have health care. One of those people is one of my closest friends, Chumly, who said Obamacare was a godsend after an injury and job loss. But Chumly is a white Republican, so this can’t be the free stuff. It has to be Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, which we commonly call welfare. But the benefits are divided roughly evenly between whites, blacks and Hispanics. And the rolls have gone down in the past two decades. Maybe its the free Obamaphones for low-income people. But isn’t this the phone companies-supported Lifeline Assistance program started by the Reagan administration and expanded to cover cellphones under the Bush administration?

There are two obstacles to Republicans wooing blacks. The first is what Republican Colin Powell called a “dark vein of intolerance” in the party. On NBC’s “Meet the Press” recently, Powell added, “I’m not calling the party racist . . . there’s some in the party who practice a level of intolerance that is not good for the party and is not consistent with American values.”

Number two is that blacks trust the federal government more than state governments, and Republicans believe the opposite. Blacks have a history of states curtailing their rights, blocking their advancement and failing to protect them. Federal courts struck down separate but equal schools and federal troops enforced it. Federal civil rights legislation passed to ensure blacks’ American citizenship birthright. A states’ rights, weak federal government party platform is a tough sell to a people with a horrendous history under states’ rights.

Or they can keep deluding themselves that it’s free stuff."

http://www.dailyrepublic.com/opinio...ebunk-gop-myth-of-why-blacks-vote-democratic/
 
Lets see how some people try to use figures to mislead and spin reality.......

approximately,

197,000,000 whites in US...........about 18,900,000 on food stamps......thats about 9.5 % receiving food stamps

37,500,000 blacks in US............about 12,080,000 on food stamps......thats about 32.2 % receiving food stamps

Does that paint a more accurate picture......

How about the " Federal courts struck down separate but equal schools and federal troops enforced it."

Yet who is it that supports, BETV, Black Miss America, NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, Black History Month, [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]National Society of Black Engineers, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Black Wall Street Merchants Association[/FONT] [/FONT]etc.....
 
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Lets see how some people try to use figures to mislead and spin reality.......

approximately,

197,000,000 whites in US...........about 18,900,000 on food stamps......thats about 9.5 % receiving food stamps

37,500,000 blacks in US............about 12,080,000 on food stamps......thats about 32.2 % receiving food stamps

Does that paint a more accurate picture......

Where are your numbers from? They tell me that 61% of food stamp users are white. And that more money would be saved if food stamps were taken away from whites rather than blacks.
 
You beat me to the punch on adjusting the foodstamp numbers to account population difference. It kind of leaps off the page and into your lap it's so obvious lol.

I don't think the Daily Republic writer is math challenged. More likely they have an agenda.
 
Number two is that blacks trust the federal government more than state governments, and Republicans believe the opposite. Blacks have a history of states curtailing their rights, blocking their advancement and failing to protect them. Federal courts struck down separate but equal schools and federal troops enforced it. Federal civil rights legislation passed to ensure blacks’ American citizenship birthright. A states’ rights, weak federal government party platform is a tough sell to a people with a horrendous history under states’ rights.
that's an extremely myopic ( if somewhat understandable) view of US federalism..
States Rights is also an extremely loaded term - use state purview, or simply refer to the 10th amendment.
( non numerated powers powers to the states and the people respectively)
 
Where are your numbers from? They tell me that 61% of food stamp users are white. And that more money would be saved if food stamps were taken away from whites rather than blacks.

Your article says 40.2 % of food stamp users are white....I assume that was correct.....
Didn't you read your own post ?
And don't you understand my post ?....
 
If (as a Republican) we're being brutally honest, a black person only need to read this board (as an example) to see comments made by Republican supporters that would not exactly encourage black voters to want to join the party.
 
You beat me to the punch on adjusting the foodstamp numbers to account population difference. It kind of leaps off the page and into your lap it's so obvious lol.

I don't think the Daily Republic writer is math challenged. More likely they have an agenda.

Of course you're right.....Lefties almost always do this when comparing stats.....they love to use totals and whole numbers when it supports their agenda and then turn around
and use percentages for the next argument when that supports their agenda......they do it with taxes, murder rates, etc.
 
If (as a Republican) we're being brutally honest, a black person only need to read this board (as an example) to see comments made by Republican supporters that would not exactly encourage black voters to want to join the party.

Thats true.....being brutally honest on JPP just gets you labeled racist instead of honest.....
 
Thats true.....being brutally honest on JPP just gets you labeled racist instead of honest.....

I'm not talking about people like Desh or Legion Leon who label everyone who disagrees with them racist because they have no brains of their own. There's also plenty of white liberal guilt on this board. But I'm talking about the n-bombs and not very subtle comments stating blacks are essentially lessor people that come from Republican supporters.
 
I'm not talking about people like Desh or Legion Leon who label everyone who disagrees with them racist because they have no brains of their own. There's also plenty of white liberal guilt on this board. But I'm talking about the n-bombs and not very subtle comments stating blacks are essentially lessor people that come from Republican supporters.

Right again.....some people have no problem with being overtly racist....and some others just won't bow to the pc gods even if it unjustly labels them.....

I see your point and how some assholes hurt conservatives while thinking they are supporting them.....
 
Your article says 40.2 % of food stamp users are white....I assume that was correct.....
Didn't you read your own post ?
And don't you understand my post ?....

My article didn't give US population figures so I looked them up. You lowballed the number of whites and blacks. And what's misleading? A higher percentage and number of food stamp users are white.

Total US population = 308,745,538

Whites 223,553,265
Blacks = 38,929,319

Next, approximately 47 million people are on food stamps. Whites make up 43%, blacks 33%. Not counting Hispanics, Asians or other.

Whites = 20,210,000 on SNAP.
Blacks = 15,510,000 on SNAP

If your argument is which segment of the population has the highest percentage of SNAP users, it would be blacks.

If your argument is which segment of the population would save the US the most money by losing SNAP, it would be whites.

So where do you want to go with this?
 
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Lets see how some people try to use figures to mislead and spin reality.......

approximately,

197,000,000 whites in US...........about 18,900,000 on food stamps......thats about 9.5 % receiving food stamps

37,500,000 blacks in US............about 12,080,000 on food stamps......thats about 32.2 % receiving food stamps

Does that paint a more accurate picture......

How about the " Federal courts struck down separate but equal schools and federal troops enforced it."

Yet who is it that supports, BETV, Black Miss America, NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, Black History Month, [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]National Society of Black Engineers, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Black Wall Street Merchants Association[/FONT] [/FONT]etc.....

Blabo liked segregation...
Poor Blabo
 
Blacks are roughly 10 % of the population and are 25.7% of food stamps using christy's figures. Similar disparate figures for it all.
The war on poverty buried blacks in poverty as intended and gave them just enough to allow the safety net to become a hammock.
And the walk around money is just gravy.
The GOP speaks to the many middle and upper class blacks especially older ones who recall it was GOP that passed the civil rights acts while the Dixie cars went for food stamps and such when they were still proud to be in the KKK.

It's no myth and if you talk to black people they know the score and say 'why turn down free ?'. They think it's funny.
Why indeed.
 
Blacks are roughly 10 % of the population and are 25.7% of food stamps using christy's figures. Similar disparate figures for it all.
The war on poverty buried blacks in poverty as intended and gave them just enough to allow the safety net to become a hammock.
And the walk around money is just gravy.
The GOP speaks to the many middle and upper class blacks especially older ones who recall it was GOP that passed the civil rights acts while the Dixie cars went for food stamps and such when they were still proud to be in the KKK.

It's no myth and if you talk to black people they know the score and say 'why turn down free ?'. They think it's funny.
Why indeed.

Do you ever talk to black people, Racistguy?

If you do, do you let them know that you believe they are genetically inferior to whites because they are black?
 
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My article didn't give US population figures so I looked them up. You lowballed the number of whites and blacks. And what's misleading? A higher percentage and number of food stamp users are white.

Total US population = 308,745,538

Whites 223,553,265
Blacks = 38,929,319

Next, approximately 47 million people are on food stamps. Whites make up 43%, blacks 33%. Not counting Hispanics, Asians or other.

Whites = 20,210,000 on SNAP.
Blacks = 15,510,000 on SNAP

If your argument is which segment of the population has the highest percentage of SNAP users, it would be blacks.

If your argument is which segment of the population would save the US the most money by losing SNAP, it would be whites.

So where do you want to go with this?

Non-Hispanic White 196,817,552

Non-Hispanic Black 37,685,848

I did not add 'white' Hispanics in with the white population or 'black Hispanics into the black population....so sue me....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity
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And of the 47 million on SNAP, I used the figures in YOUR op....so you wouldn't argue about it........and you now want to include Hispanics in either race, even though you say in this post "Not counting Hispanics, Asians or other."


I've made my point and that was what I intended....

My argument was never about starving people to save money... that seems to be your turf.....it was about using stats, or in your case mis-using stats to mis-lead people,,,,,
Whats mis-leading is ignoring the population of the races and how many of those totals are getting food stamps....its quite obvious that blacks are using the benefit far more
that whites......
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Its the same shit your side pulls when we talk about taxes.....when some rich guy pays $2 million in taxes and you pay $10,000, its all about the percentage of his income that suddenly
becomes the focal point, while you ignore the hard fact he paid 200 times more in real dollars, in taxes than you did for the same freedoms and infrastructure we all enjoy.....

The old saying is that “figures will not lie,” but a new saying is “liars will figure.” It is our duty, as practical statisticians, to prevent the liar from figuring; in other words, to prevent him from perverting the truth, in the interest of some theory he wishes to establish. Carroll Wright 1889
 
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