Things were horrible when Obama took office

NOVA said:
The proof is in the videos....undeniable proof....
Do you think these historical videos are not accurate ?

you're in a horrible state of denial if you can't accept the facts.....

I didn't put the words in the mouths of these speakers.....
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I didn't even make it a Bush thing in the OP. You're just programmed to defend him.

Congress was delinquent in the lead-up, but so was Bush - and please spare me the tepid quote from Bush about the warning. If he was paying attention & knew what was coming, he would have fought like hell to get something done. He didn't, and the buck stops w/ him.

Banking & finance are also to blame. I'm a capitalist & support capitalism, but what happened is certainly great fodder for the anti-capitalist group. Many in that industry knew what was coming, but did nothing because they knew how to profit from it.
 
Pledged delegates
Hillary 1243
Bernie 980

Wisconsin 86
New York 247

if Bernie wins both

Hillary 1243
Bernie 1313

now, who do the super delegates favor?......

in the two weeks following New York you have primaries in the Northeast where he leads.....
 
Thing1 said:
How is it NOT a valid measurement?
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because between breakfast and lunch I didn't destroy the economy......I saved twenty million jobs........I intend to do the same thing this afternoon.......no one has a better record of saving jobs than I do and no one will vote for me.........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Pledged delegates
Hillary 1243
Bernie 980

Wisconsin 86
New York 247

if Bernie wins both

Hillary 1243
Bernie 1313

now, who do the super delegates favor?......

in the two weeks following New York you have primaries in the Northeast where he leads.....
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You tend to post a lot of wishful thinking.

Like I said, I'd like to see Bernie win. But he isn't getting anywhere close in NY.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
because between breakfast and lunch I didn't destroy the economy......I saved twenty million jobs........I intend to do the same thing this afternoon.......no one has a better record of saving jobs than I do and no one will vote for me.........
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The CBO doesn't talk about breakfast, lunch or wild claims. It details #'s on jobs created, and jobs saved.

Until you have something to offer to counter the CBO - aside from silly, baseless comments - I'll consider your contributions to this discussion fairly useless.
 
Thing1 said:
I didn't even make it a Bush thing in the OP. You're just programmed to defend him.

Congress was delinquent in the lead-up, but so was Bush - and please spare me the tepid quote from Bush about the warning. If he was paying attention & knew what was coming, he would have fought like hell to get something done. He didn't, and the buck stops w/ him.

Banking & finance are also to blame. I'm a capitalist & support capitalism, but what happened is certainly great fodder for the anti-capitalist group. Many in that industry knew what was coming, but did nothing because they knew how to profit from it.
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And I didn't reference the OP in making my post, did I ?

If we don't accept the facts about why something happened, we really can't discuss intelligently about what can be done to correct the problem....

The warnings were there, back in 2004 .... every Democrat insisting and denying there was any problems at all.....
and every Republican stating what was wrong and what needed to be done.....but you will always find a way to blame Bush regardless of the facts.

Nobody put those words in their mouths.....

President George W. Bush warned the Democratic Congress 17 times in 2008 alone about the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties.
 
Jarod said:
1920? Really 1920? Almost 100 years ago, your right, the economy is exactly the same now.
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I apologize for actually reading your words.

Jarod said:
You can look at other recoveries, but the recession that occurred at the end of the Bush presidency has nothing of such magnitude to compare it to. It was unique and of a size incomparable to other recessions. Pretend as you might, its simply not comparable.
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Now I would think that being a lawyer, you would operate under the presumption that words mean things. You said there is NOTHING of such magnitude to compare it to. Also, I see nowhere in your post a statute of limitations.

Now, if you would educate yourself and research the depression of 1920, you would see that it was on the same magnitude of the recession of 2009. Obviously the economies are not identical, but that doesn't matter. The precepts are still the same. Of course I don't expect you to acknowledge you are wrong. It isn't exactly in your wheel house
 
Thing1 said:
The CBO doesn't talk about breakfast, lunch or wild claims. It details #'s on jobs created, and jobs saved.

Until you have something to offer to counter the CBO - aside from silly, baseless comments - I'll consider your contributions to this discussion fairly useless.
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my silly baseless comments are no more silly or baseless than Obama's sill baseless comments.......
 
NOVA said:
And I didn't reference the OP in making my post, did I ?

If we don't accept the facts about why something happened, we really can't discuss intelligently about what can be done to correct the problem....

The warnings were there, back in 2004 .... every Democrat insisting and denying there was any problems at all.....
and every Republican stating what was wrong and what needed to be done.....but you will always find a way to blame Bush regardless of the facts.

Nobody put those words in their mouths.....

President George W. Bush warned the Democratic Congress 17 times in 2008 alone about the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties.
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LOL - poor helpless Bush. He couldn't do anything about the Dems forcing him to invade Iraq either, right bravs?

Your reality is so interesting.
 
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