Things were horrible when Obama took office

Jarod said:
Sorry it became an upturn within 6 months of Obama taking office. You are a silly person.
Your like Trump predicting a huge recession unless he is elected.
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I love your consistency........next you'll be claiming it didn't take Obama six years to get unemployment back below the rate it was when he was inaugurated........or that he didn't blow $10 trillion trying to return to the status quo AFTER it "became an upturn in only six months"........not to mention trying to give him credit for recovery for "the worst recession ever" that was over before anything he did had time to take effect.........we had seven years of sluggish economy BECAUSE of Obama's "solutions"......
 
Thing1 said:
And so sorry, PMP - the stimulus worked.

You poor, poor thing.
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lol....really?......did it create any jobs that lasted more than six months?.......did any of the companies he stimulated survive bankruptcy?........if its purpose was to bury us in debt, it worked......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I love your consistency........next you'll be claiming it didn't take Obama six years to get unemployment back below the rate it was when he was inaugurated........or that he didn't blow $10 trillion trying to return to the status quo AFTER it "became an upturn in only six months"........not to mention trying to give him credit for recovery for "the worst recession ever" that was over before anything he did had time to take effect.........we had seven years of sluggish economy BECAUSE of Obama's "solutions"......
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And Trump will beat Hillary with by getting a majority of the vote of women.

You are delusional.
 
Thing1 said:
You mean like going from saying the recession "wasn't that bad" to agreeing that it was the worst downturn since the Depression, in the course of a few posts?
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you weren't capable of seeing me use your own words to mock your ignorance?........sorry, I will use semaphore flags in the future.....
 
Jarod said:
And Trump will beat Hillary with by getting a majority of the vote of women.

You are delusional.
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PMP is definitely "that guy" who would be trumpeting how great the economy is right now if Romney had won, and saying that Romney saved us - even if things were exactly the same as they are now.
 
Thing1 said:
PMP is definitely "that guy" who would be trumpeting how great the economy is right now if Romney had won, and saying that Romney saved us - even if things were exactly the same as they are now.
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I wouldn't be trumpeting any one who left us with a $10 trillion deficit........shucks, the Tea Party came into being because Bush have us half that........
 
Thing1 said:
So true. Not sure how Hillary will be able to overcome Bernie's huge delegate lead.

What planet do you live on?
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what will the super delegates do if Bernie takes the lead in general delegates?.......the same thing they did in 08 when Obama took the lead?.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
what will the super delegates do if Bernie takes the lead in general delegates?.......the same thing they did in 08 when Obama took the lead?.......
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When, exactly, do you see the bolded happening?

Look, I like Bernie and would love to see him as the candidate. But Hillary has the nomination wrapped up - much more than Trump.
 
Thing1 said:
PMP is definitely "that guy" who would be trumpeting how great the economy is right now if Romney had won, and saying that Romney saved us - even if things were exactly the same as they are now.
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The fact is things are better than Romney promised if he had been elected.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
what will the super delegates do if Bernie takes the lead in general delegates?.......the same thing they did in 08 when Obama took the lead?.......
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Sure, but while it could still happen, its unlikely that Bernie will take the lead in general delegates at this point, I wish he would, but I don't substitute my desires with reality.
 
Thing1 said:
I agree on the Fed policies, but disagree that it wasn't a hard proposition. The banking system basically failed. I don't think the historical comparison of recoveries is that relevant considering the circumstances.

I just don't think Republicans can have it both ways. When the stimulus passed, the criticism from the right was at a fever pitch. There was no doubt - it was going to make things worse, take the market even lower, cause more job loss and likely take us into a Depression. I don't think a Republican who was doing that kind of chicken little routine in 2009 can come back in 2016 w/ the way things are now & claim that Obama failed on the economy.
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I guess I would come from a position in between failed and did a good job. I'll still stand by my premise that we did not get the return we should have on the stimulus.

No two recessions are the exact same but history does give us points of comparison as far as recoveries go. I know there are some people who think 2% growth is all the U.S. can expect going forward so what we've been seeing is not out of line. I don't fall into that category and I believe decisions Obama has made have hampered recovery efforts.

Again, that's not saying he failed. It's saying the job he has done hasn't been all that great.
 
cawacko said:
I guess I would come from a position in between failed and did a good job. I'll still stand by my premise that we did not get the return we should have on the stimulus.

No two recessions are the exact same but history does give us points of comparison as far as recoveries go. I know there are some people who think 2% growth is all the U.S. can expect going forward so what we've been seeing is not out of line. I don't fall into that category and I believe decisions Obama has made have hampered recovery efforts.

Again, that's not saying he failed. It's saying the job he has done hasn't been all that great.
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I would like to see greater growth, and it looks like we are slowly starting to get it. I would rather see 2-4% long and sustained than 7-12% that crashes in a year or so.

You simply have to admit that the predictions that things were only going to get worse due to Obama's election were incorrect.
 
cawacko said:
I guess I would come from a position in between failed and did a good job. I'll still stand by my premise that we did not get the return we should have on the stimulus.

No two recessions are the exact same but history does give us points of comparison as far as recoveries go. I know there are some people who think 2% growth is all the U.S. can expect going forward so what we've been seeing is not out of line. I don't fall into that category and I believe decisions Obama has made have hampered recovery efforts.

Again, that's not saying he failed. It's saying the job he has done hasn't been all that great.
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Overall, I agree with that. I think the stimulus was a good measure, but as I said in the OP, I'm not sure how much credit Obama should really get for anything. After the stimulus, there really haven't been that many measures that I would point to that have helped, and I'd say that Obamacare - at least up to this point - has hurt.
 
Jarod said:
You can look at other recoveries, but the recession that occurred at the end of the Bush presidency has nothing of such magnitude to compare it to. It was unique and of a size incomparable to other recessions. Pretend as you might, its simply not comparable.
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Well there was the Great Recession that the progressive Herbert Hoover and FDR made worse.

And then there was the Depression of 1920 which was much worse and guess what was done about it? Nothing. And guess what happened? Well, maybe you heard of the Roaring Twenties? Or maybe you didn't because it doesn't fit into your Keyenesian worldview
 
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