Something We All Have In Common.

philly rabbit

philly rabbit

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This goes out especially to the Bernie Sanders supporters in this forum.

Despite all our differences, no matter how much we battle each other and accuse each other of wrong doings,

We Donald Trump supporters and you Sanders supporters have started a political revolution in this country and I firmly believe that both political parties following this current election cycle will never be the same again.

We are both coming for the political establishment. We Trumpeters for the republican establishment and you for the Democratic establishment. We have both already counted millions of votes and we both share common concerns and positions although we are are worlds apart over ideology. It doesn't matter when you realize what is currently transpiring or who does end up being the nominees for both parties.

Things are changing dramatically before our very eyes.
 
See in my opinion Trump is not as much of a contrast to Sanders as people think. We don't need a populist that lacks core principles and that uses the anger of citizens to gain power in order to defeat someone (Sanders) that does not represent what this country is all about. We need a person dedicated to the constitution and to the core principles of limited government. That is the person that truly contrasts Sanders, and it's not Trump i'm sorry to say.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
See in my opinion Trump is not as much of a contrast to Sanders as people think. We don't need a populist that lacks core principles and that uses the anger of citizens to gain power in order to defeat someone (Sanders) that does not represent what this country is all about. We need a person dedicated to the constitution and to the core principles of limited government. That is the person that truly contrasts Sanders, and it's not Trump i'm sorry to say.
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But then again you are on Cruz Control!
 
we need a nationalist conservtive like trump.

The whole right/left thing is played out. Its time to realign along globalist/nationalist lines.

also cruz is a cuckservative :)
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
That is true that i'm for Cruz, but even if Cruz was not in this race I would have the same opinion about Donald Trump.
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Does it bother you at all that the only hope Cruz has is a contested convention and a second ballot nomination? Cruz lost this race in my opinion when evangelicals voted for Trump in too many states and not him. He is pinning this non voter hope tomorrow in Wisconsin by gaining enough momentum as to not drop out of the race. He has also welcomed and praised the same establishment candidates and organizations now endorsing him trying to get rid of Trump that he himself was supposed to be running against.

Meanwhile Trump just yesterday, remained consistent and stated that he doesn't expect or want endorsements from those who have opposed him such as Cruz.
 
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tsuke said:
we need a nationalist conservtive like trump.

The whole right/left thing is played out. Its time to realign along globalist/nationalist lines.

also cruz is a cuckservative :)
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except Trump is not a conservative in my opinion based on the many things he has said
 
philly rabbit said:
Does it bother you at all that the only hope Cruz has is a contested convention and a second ballot nomination? Cruz lost this race in my opinion when evangelicals voted for Trump in too many states and not him. He is pinning this non voter hope tomorrow in Wisconsin by gaining enough momentum as to not drop out of the race. He has also welcomed and praised the same establishment candidates and organizations now endorsing him trying to get rid of Trump that he himself was supposed to be running against.

Meanwhile Trump just yesterday, remained consistent and stated that he doesn't expect or want endorsements from those who have opposed him such as Cruz.
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Trump's only hope is a contested convention as well since he has not gotten over 50% of the vote in practically all of his wins, and he needs more than 56% I think it is, and is declining in polls from wisconsin (which Trump was easily winning at one point) to california (which he also once had a commanding lead). His only hope is getting a 1st ballot win in the convention which won't happen. History has also shown that the person in front at a contested convention does not always win. Lincoln for example was something like 7th in line for delegates when the 1st ballot happened which he then eventually won. As for welcoming support it's not smart to shun support when it comes so it's understandable. Accepting support and being run by that support or two different things and it pains a lot of those republicans to have to publicly support Cruz. As for consistency the last thing Donald Trump has ever been in this campaign in my opinion is consistent.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
See in my opinion Trump is not as much of a contrast to Sanders as people think. We don't need a populist that lacks core principles and that uses the anger of citizens to gain power in order to defeat someone (Sanders) that does not represent what this country is all about. We need a person dedicated to the constitution and to the core principles of limited government. That is the person that truly contrasts Sanders, and it's not Trump i'm sorry to say.
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You mean a person dedicated to an interpretation of the Constitution, like Ted Cruz, that was debunked in 1865?

One that protects the rights and privelages of an oligarchy at the cost of the people, which Cruz's policies represent?

BTW, can you name one President in the entire history of our nation that wasn't dedicated to our Constitution?
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
See in my opinion Trump is not as much of a contrast to Sanders as people think. We don't need a populist that lacks core principles and that uses the anger of citizens to gain power in order to defeat someone (Sanders) that does not represent what this country is all about. We need a person dedicated to the constitution and to the core principles of limited government. That is the person that truly contrasts Sanders, and it's not Trump i'm sorry to say.
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The citizens of the country decide what the country is all about, rightists like you do not have some kind of monopoly and deciding what this country is about.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
Trump's only hope is a contested convention as well since he has not gotten over 50% of the vote in practically all of his wins, and he needs more than 56% I think it is, and is declining in polls from wisconsin (which Trump was easily winning at one point) to california (which he also once had a commanding lead). His only hope is getting a 1st ballot win in the convention which won't happen. History has also shown that the person in front at a contested convention does not always win. Lincoln for example was something like 7th in line for delegates when the 1st ballot happened which he then eventually won. As for welcoming support it's not smart to shun support when it comes so it's understandable. Accepting support and being run by that support or two different things and it pains a lot of those republicans to have to publicly support Cruz. As for consistency the last thing Donald Trump has ever been in this campaign in my opinion is consistent.
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You need to do more research on Lincoln.

There were three rounds of voting in the 1860 Republican convention in Chicago. Lincoln came in second in the first round of voting to Seward. Seward was by far and away favored to win the nomination And came close to winning the nomination on the first vote but fell just short.

Lincoln then had his representatives negotiate with Other State delegations where his support was weak, primarily Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana to agree to support Lincoln as their second choice. Indiana, due to the strong influence of German immigrants turned their delegation in Lincolns favor as they were concerned that Sewards was to radical. Salmon P. Chase of Ohio was Sewards chief competitor going into the convention but he foolishly failed to consolidate his support in the Ohio delegation or mollify his political rivals in Ohio. His arrogance cost him greatly as the Ohio delegation turned to Lincoln as their second choice and Chase's support collapsed.

In the second round of voting with Ohio and Indiana in his pocket Lincolns support grew and cut significantly into Sewards lead who fell well short of the nomination. Going into the third round of voting Lincoln had his representatives negotiate with Governor Cameron of Pennsylvania who was the very corrupt political boss of PA who despised Seward. Without committing him Lincolns representatives implied to Cameron a cabinet position if he threw his States delegation behind Lincoln.

Cameron agreed and in the third round of voting when the PA delegation voted for Lincoln support for Seward collapsed and Lincoln swept the voting to win the nomination. Thus by using a strategy of being each States second choice that he did not win in the first round of voting he completely out maneuvered Seward and Chase to win the nomination.
 
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Cowgirl Tuff said:
except Trump is not a conservative in my opinion based on the many things he has said
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That's true and it gets said a lot, especially by his conservative critics. But it misses something important about Trump: Trump is very conservative on two very important issues [well, it's apparently important to the voters]; trade and immigration. He's arguably ultra-conservative on immigration.
 
The two groups have dissatisfaction in common, but not much else, surely? A bit like saying the KPD and the Nazis had things in common because German capitalism was collapsing.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
Trump's only hope is a contested convention as well since he has not gotten over 50% of the vote in practically all of his wins, and he needs more than 56% I think it is, and is declining in polls from wisconsin (which Trump was easily winning at one point) to california (which he also once had a commanding lead). His only hope is getting a 1st ballot win in the convention which won't happen. History has also shown that the person in front at a contested convention does not always win. Lincoln for example was something like 7th in line for delegates when the 1st ballot happened which he then eventually won. As for welcoming support it's not smart to shun support when it comes so it's understandable. Accepting support and being run by that support or two different things and it pains a lot of those republicans to have to publicly support Cruz. As for consistency the last thing Donald Trump has ever been in this campaign in my opinion is consistent.
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Yes but the entire political establishment is scared to death of Trump because they all know that he means what he says and he's not just giving the dupes the usual lip service for their votes then gets elected and immediately starts carrying water for his campaign donors. Trump is being honest for a change and his supporters love him for it. He will use the power of the oval office (like Obama does all the time) to impose certain measures that will help the working middle class such as his pledge to lower the corporate tax rate to fifteen percent which will lower taxes immediately for them and especially small business owners.

When Trump calls Ted Cruz lying Ted, that doesn't mean that Trump believes that Cruz has low character and will not keep promises, Trump knows as does his supporters that Cruz cannot keep his promises because he is already enslaved to his party's special interests the very moment he enters office. Trump doesn't have that problem. Trump is economically self sufficient and he's railing against those special interests and not keeping them on any promise list if elected.
 
philly rabbit said:
Yes but the entire political establishment is scared to death of Trump because they all know that he means what he says and he's not just giving the dupes the usual lip service for their votes then gets elected and immediately starts carrying water for his campaign donors. Trump is being honest for a change and his supporters love him for it. He will use the power of the oval office (like Obama does all the time) to impose certain measures that will help the working middle class such as his pledge to lower the corporate tax rate to fifteen percent which will lower taxes immediately for them and especially small business owners.

When Trump calls Ted Cruz lying Ted, that doesn't mean that Trump believes that Cruz has low character and will not keep promises, Trump knows as does his supporters that Cruz cannot keep his promises because he is already enslaved to his party's special interests the very moment he enters office. Trump doesn't have that problem. Trump is economically self sufficient and he's railing against those special interests and not keeping them on any promise list if elected.
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The desire to reduce the corporate tax is not unique to Donald. Just about every Republican running has it in their tax plan. Cruz has talked about eliminating it. Romney ran on reducing it. Trump can't reduce it by executive order. He would have to go through Congress like everyone else.
 
Lower corporate taxes to help the working class? God what a delusional willing slave. Go be a good slave, boy! Get a pat on the head from your master!
 
Patriotic American said:
Lower corporate taxes to help the working class? God what a delusional willing slave. Go be a good slave, boy! Get a pat on the head from your master!
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When you lower the corporate tax, you give incentive for corporations to stay in America and not relocate to foreign countries in order to escape it's very high rate, currently the highest in the civilized world. This means more jobs for Americans and lower taxes for the middle class. A fifteen percent tax raises all middle class income boats. It helps american workers because there is no competition between them and foreigners for income wages from american corporations overseas.
 
cawacko said:
THE DESIRE TO REDUCE THE CORPORATE TAX RATE IS NOT UNIQUE TO DONALD Just about every Republican running has it in their tax plan. Cruz has talked about eliminating it. Romney ran on reducing it. Trump can't reduce it by executive order. He would have to go through Congress like everyone else.[/QUOTE

And why haven't the republicans lowered it by now and why should I believe any republican candidate other than Trump who says they will lower it. The republicans currently hold the largest majority in congress in their history. So other than passing the highest tax increase in american history which they did, why should anybody expect the current republican candidates to lower it instead of thinking it's just more empty rhetoric?
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