Renewables are useless: The Evidence is Overwhelming

The 1st article says renewables aren't viable in their "current form." I agree. Going from that to concluding that they're some kind of dead end or "blind alley" is a gargantuan stretch.

As for the 2nd article, like I said - nuclear is a non-starter. It's is hopelessly irresponsible to future generations.

It's like people stuck in this mindset can't comprehend anything beyond a 5-10 year window.

Yes they are, as I've said over and over the future is in 4th generation nuclear energy. It is not my fault if you are too unimaginative to see what even James Hansen knows to be true.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/next-generation-nuclear/

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Yes they are, as I've said over and over the future is in 4th generation nuclear energy. It is not my fault if you are too unimaginative to see that. Even James Hansen can see that pity you can't!!

"Even James Hansen?" Who cares?

They're irresponsible. We don't know how to store the waste safely for a generation, much less centuries or thousands of years. That is all.
 
"Even James Hansen?" Who cares?

They're irresponsible. We don't know how to store the waste safely for a generation, much less centuries or thousands of years. That is all.

Jeez, what the hell is the matter with you?? Fourth generation reactors will be designed to run off nuclear waste and depleted uranium, so that kicks the legs away from that particular argument, next!!

Fourth-generation reactor proposals look very different from current nuclear generators. For one thing, most eschew water altogether, instead relying on pressurized gases, molten salt or liquid metal to keep components cool. These coolants allow reactors to operate at higher temperatures and have low risks of boiling off.

The fuels are also different. More efficient designs mean fourth-generation reactors can use lower-grade fuel. Transatomic Power is one nuclear startup company developing a molten salt reactor that runs on nuclear waste from other nuclear power plants. TerraPower is engineering a reactor that would run on existing stockpiles of depleted uranium, converting it into fissile fuel inside the reactor.

Other companies are looking at entirely new fuel cycles like thorium, which eliminates the risk of nuclear weapons proliferation. However, a new fuel cycle means starting from scratch when it comes to infrastructure, engineering and know-how, so it will be years before thorium catches on.

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060021132
 
Jeez, what the hell is the matter with you?? Fourth generation reactors will be designed to run off nuclear waste and depleted uranium, so that kicks the legs away from that particular argument, next!!



http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060021132

Right Tom and getting engineering approval for a new nuke design is so expensive that we still build 40 year old designs.
Even if you won design approval aquiring financing is near impossible due the the cost/availability of insurance.

The bottom line is that we need everything.
Nuclear is not a silver bullet.
 
All of this "back and forth" made me think of when the US was going to try and put a microwave generator in space, have it powered by the sun, and beam that power back to Earth.

Absolutely non-polluting, no worry about contaminants, and totally sustainable; that was until a bunch of whiners got together and started saying:
"But - but - but it might be used as a weapon".
 
Right Tom and getting engineering approval for a new nuke design is so expensive that we still build 40 year old designs.
Even if you won design approval aquiring financing is near impossible due the the cost/availability of insurance.

The bottom line is that we need everything.
Nuclear is not a silver bullet.

TerraPower is actively working on a travelling wave reactor using depleted uranium and liquid sodium as a coolant, they are well funded as Bill Gates is a partner!! Transatomic Power are working on a reactor that use nuclear waste from other reactors. In addition the Chinese and Indians are working flat out on thorium based reactors. By the way, thorium reactors are by no means new as they had a working reactor at Oak Ridge way back in the 60s!!

http://terrapower.com/pages/technology

http://www.transatomicpower.com/

http://fukushimaupdate.com/thorium-molten-salt-reactors-to-go-into-production-by-2020/
 
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TerraPower is actively working on a travelling wave reactor using depleted uranium and liquid sodium as a coolant, they are well funded as Bill Gates is a partner!! Transatomic Power are working on a reactor that use nuclear waste from other reactors. In addition the Chinese and Indians are working flat out on thorium based reactors. By the way, thorium reactors are by no means new as they had a working reactor at Oak Ridge way back in the 60s!!

http://terrapower.com/pages/technology

http://www.transatomicpower.com/

http://fukushimaupdate.com/thorium-molten-salt-reactors-to-go-into-production-by-2020/

Terrapower and Bill Gates have become so frustrated with the intransigence of the NRA that they have decided to build a prototype reactor in China. The Chinese have a plan to build over 400 nuclear reactors by 2050, so anyone that tries to write off nuclear energy is clearly a short sighted ill-informed fool.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/10/02/bill-gates-forges-nuclear-deal-with-china/#43ef939160fc

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/11100702/bill-gates-energy
 
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TerraPower’s traveling wave reactor (TWR) is a Generation IV, liquid sodium-cooled fast reactor based on existing fast reactor technologies. Innovations in metallic fuel, cladding materials and engineering allow TWRs to utilize depleted uranium as their primary fuel. These innovations greatly simplify the nuclear fuel cycle by eliminating or reducing the need for enrichment, reprocessing, and waste storage and disposal. Fissile fuel is both produced and then consumed in-reactor, greatly improving the fuel efficiency of the TWR and resource availability for the reactor.

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A New Class of Nuclear Reactor


Engineers and researchers have long dreamed of a self-fueling source of energy. As early as 1958, Saveli Feinberg imagined a nuclear reactor that could breed fuel within its core. TerraPower will use proven fast reactor technology, high-performance computing simulations and real testing in current fast reactor test facilities to make the traveling wave reactor (TWR) concept a reality. The TWR is a uniquely designed nuclear reactor. It is able to operate for an extended period of time, using only depleted uranium (U-238) as fuel. This material is produced during the enrichment process, when enriched uranium (U-235) separates from natural uranium. U-235 is the main fuel for today’s light water reactors, while U-238 is a by-product of the enrichment process and is currently set aside as waste. Nuclear power plants produce electricity by splitting large atoms, such as U-235, into smaller atoms. Each time an atom splits (or “fissions”) it releases neutrons and heat. In turn, released neutrons cause other fissions, creating a sustained chain reaction. For conventional nuclear energy plants, U-235 is used because U-238 cannot sustain a chain reaction in today’s light water reactors. TerraPower’s engineers discovered a method to extract energy from U-238, making it a perfect source of energy for the TWR.

Innovative Core Physics

The TWR’s economic benefits stem from its higher thermal efficiency and ability to breed and burn metallic fuel comprised of initial starter fuel of U-235 and U-238. TerraPower’s ability to develop new fuels and materials that can breed and burn U-238 could enable a TWR to get more energy out of every pound of mined uranium than a conventional light water reactor.
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TerraPower’s mission is to develop this nuclear reactor to meet growing global electricity needs. The goal of the TWR design is to greatly reduce proliferation risks and create new, affordable options for converting low-level waste into energy resources.

Looking to the Future

The TWR design will evolve as we proceed with materials testing and a prototype reactor. Our studies show that future generations of the technology will be capable of running on other forms of fuel–spent light water reactor fuel or recycled TWR fuel. We even foresee versions of the TWR that will use natural uranium or thorium as fuel.
 
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All of this "back and forth" made me think of when the US was going to try and put a microwave generator in space, have it powered by the sun, and beam that power back to Earth.

Absolutely non-polluting, no worry about contaminants, and totally sustainable; that was until a bunch of whiners got together and started saying:
"But - but - but it might be used as a weapon".

Well I can see a few practical difficulties not least the fact that it would have to be in a geosynchronous orbit above the equator.
 
twr_cross_section_cropped.png


TerraPower’s traveling wave reactor (TWR) is a Generation IV, liquid sodium-cooled fast reactor based on existing fast reactor technologies. Innovations in metallic fuel, cladding materials and engineering allow TWRs to utilize depleted uranium as their primary fuel. These innovations greatly simplify the nuclear fuel cycle by eliminating or reducing the need for enrichment, reprocessing, and waste storage and disposal. Fissile fuel is both produced and then consumed in-reactor, greatly improving the fuel efficiency of the TWR and resource availability for the reactor.

9_TWR_AtAGlance_1-6-15.jpg


A New Class of Nuclear Reactor


Engineers and researchers have long dreamed of a self-fueling source of energy. As early as 1958, Saveli Feinberg imagined a nuclear reactor that could breed fuel within its core. TerraPower will use proven fast reactor technology, high-performance computing simulations and real testing in current fast reactor test facilities to make the traveling wave reactor (TWR) concept a reality. The TWR is a uniquely designed nuclear reactor. It is able to operate for an extended period of time, using only depleted uranium (U-238) as fuel. This material is produced during the enrichment process, when enriched uranium (U-235) separates from natural uranium. U-235 is the main fuel for today’s light water reactors, while U-238 is a by-product of the enrichment process and is currently set aside as waste. Nuclear power plants produce electricity by splitting large atoms, such as U-235, into smaller atoms. Each time an atom splits (or “fissions”) it releases neutrons and heat. In turn, released neutrons cause other fissions, creating a sustained chain reaction. For conventional nuclear energy plants, U-235 is used because U-238 cannot sustain a chain reaction in today’s light water reactors. TerraPower’s engineers discovered a method to extract energy from U-238, making it a perfect source of energy for the TWR.

Innovative Core Physics

The TWR’s economic benefits stem from its higher thermal efficiency and ability to breed and burn metallic fuel comprised of initial starter fuel of U-235 and U-238. TerraPower’s ability to develop new fuels and materials that can breed and burn U-238 could enable a TWR to get more energy out of every pound of mined uranium than a conventional light water reactor.
chain_reaction_resized.png

TerraPower’s mission is to develop this nuclear reactor to meet growing global electricity needs. The goal of the TWR design is to greatly reduce proliferation risks and create new, affordable options for converting low-level waste into energy resources.

Looking to the Future

The TWR design will evolve as we proceed with materials testing and a prototype reactor. Our studies show that future generations of the technology will be capable of running on other forms of fuel–spent light water reactor fuel or recycled TWR fuel. We even foresee versions of the TWR that will use natural uranium or thorium as fuel.

"...fuel is both produced and then consumed in-reactor..."

This would seem to solve the liberals main problem and that's RENEWABLE fuel. :D
 
Well I can see a few practical difficulties not least the fact that it would have to be in a geosynchronous orbit above the equator.

Don't many countries already have satellites in geosynchronous orbit and even though previous satellites have been over the equator; isn't it possible to place them say over the US what with all the advancements that have been made?
 
Don't many countries already have satellites in geosynchronous orbit and even though previous satellites have been over the equator; isn't it possible to place them say over the US what with all the advancements that have been made?

The whole point here is that you would need the satellite to be stationary with respect to the Earth's rotation otherwise how could you collect the microwave radiation at an Earth receiving station?
 
Renewables are like 13 percent of electricity production now.
Hardly useless, just not worth googles time

Let's break that down some more!!

In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity.[SUP]1 [/SUP]About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:


  • Coal = 33%
  • Natural gas = 33%
  • Nuclear = 20%
  • Hydropower = 6%
  • Other renewables = 7%
    • Biomass = 1.6%
    • Geothermal = 0.4%
    • Solar = 0.6%
    • Wind = 4.7%
  • Petroleum = 1%
  • Other gases =< 1%

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3
 
Let's break that down some more!!

In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity.[SUP]1 [/SUP]About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:


  • Coal = 33%
  • Natural gas = 33%
  • Nuclear = 20%
  • Hydropower = 6%
  • Other renewables = 7%
    • Biomass = 1.6%
    • Geothermal = 0.4%
    • Solar = 0.6%
    • Wind = 4.7%
  • Petroleum = 1%
  • Other gases =< 1%

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

Yeah if your point is take out hydro I'm with you
Thanks
 
The whole point here is that you would need the satellite to be stationary with respect to the Earth's rotation otherwise how could you collect the microwave radiation at an Earth receiving station?

Keep it in a spot, directly above the collection base.
Where's the difficulty?

Another option is to due it in bursts, when the alignment is met.
 
Keep it in a spot, directly above the collection base.
Where's the difficulty?

Another option is to due it in bursts, when the alignment is met.

Well the USA is not on the Equator for a start and there would issues with attenuation of the microwave radiation over 23,000 miles.
 
Well the USA is not on the Equator for a start and there would issues with attenuation of the microwave radiation over 23,000 miles.

Building your strawman early, aren't you; because I never suggested that the US was on the Equator. :palm:
So you're saying that aligning a satellite directly over anywhere, except the equator, is impossible?

And even if it is directly over the equator, why can't the transmission dish be pointed at a collector within the boundaries of the US?
 
Building your strawman early, aren't you; because I never suggested that the US was on the Equator. :palm:
So you're saying that aligning a satellite directly over anywhere, except the equator, is impossible?

And even if it is directly over the equator, why can't the transmission dish be pointed at a collector within the boundaries of the US?

A satellite in a circular orbit with a period of 24 hours is termed geosynchronous. It's geostationary only if the plane of its orbit is coincident with the Equator. If not then it will appear from the ground to move up and down across the equator (and back and forth a little, in a vertical figure 8) during the course of a day, and so it won't be stationary with respect to the ground.
 
A satellite in a circular orbit with a period of 24 hours is termed geosynchronous. It's geostationary only if the plane of its orbit is coincident with the Equator. If not then it will appear from the ground to move up and down across the equator (and back and forth a little, in a vertical figure 8) during the course of a day, and so it won't be stationary with respect to the ground.

I don't care how it appears from the ground.

Now that you've been able to derail the OP, to your own agenda; would you care to address what the thread was about?
 
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