Why will no one admit the way some Muslims raise their children is fomenting terror?

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I have always considered Yasmin Alibhai-Brown to be irredeemably PC and woolly minded. But I have obviously underestimated her as this is a spot on article about the way some Muslims are brought up.

Brutality begins at home. In looking for the reasons behind Tuesday’s Belgian atrocities, we have to face the fact that the ultimate cause lies in the upbringing of the killers. And when I say ‘we’ must face it, I am talking about Muslim communities across Europe and here in Britain. It is our responsibility and we must deal with it. I do not discount the effects of casual racism against Muslims, of anger over the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and of the spread of Islamic extremism from Saudi Arabia. All of these things are important, but just as vital is the way that Muslim families raise their children. For too long, no one has dared to say a word on this subject, but we can no longer ignore it.

When mass killings are committed by white people, such as the Columbine school massacre in the U.S. in 1999 or the shootings in Norway by the deranged racial supremacist Anders Breivik in 2011, we are quick to look for the psychological roots — what happened in the killers’ childhoods to make them believe indiscriminate slaughter was the answer?

When Islamist terrorist attacks happen, we don’t do this. Instead, we look for such external causes as preachers of hate. And I believe that we have been looking in the wrong direction. Too many Muslim families in Britain and the rest of Europe isolate themselves from the out- side world. They deliberately turn their backs on it. This inwardness means that Muslim boys and girls are denied many privileges that other young people take for granted. They are growing up unfree in the free world.

At school and on TV, they see one kind of life. Yet at home, they experience another one entirely. Inevitably they are drawn to both and end up feeling that they belong to neither. They are lost between these two worlds.
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I don't think it's necessarily something we should ignore - but there isn't a lot of substance in this article. It's more conjecture & generalization.

It also makes the case for the opposite of what Trump & some of the Islamophobes usually advocate - which is excluding Muslims and making them feel like outsiders, and marginalizing them based on their religion.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't think it's necessarily something we should ignore - but there isn't a lot of substance in this article. It's more conjecture & generalization.

It also makes the case for the opposite of what Trump & some of the Islamophobes usually advocate - which is excluding Muslims and making them feel like outsiders, and marginalizing them based on their religion.
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Oh did I mention that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is a Muslim, she knows of which she speaks. It wasn't that long ago that she was dismissing as racist anyone who had the temerity to critique the Muslim project at all. Something must have changed her mind.

Watermark groaned me, fairly predictable I suppose, but I reiterate that I probably encounter more Muslims on a weekly basis than he has in his entire lifetime.
 
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Thing1 said:
I don't think it's necessarily something we should ignore - but there isn't a lot of substance in this article. It's more conjecture & generalization.

It also makes the case for the opposite of what Trump & some of the Islamophobes usually advocate - which is excluding Muslims and making them feel like outsiders, and marginalizing them based on their religion.
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Yes and what she advocates is not something that can happen over night. To counteract the pernicious influence of foreign clergymen preaching in the UK it should be mandatory that they only use English, so that they can be monitored more easily.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't think it's necessarily something we should ignore - but there isn't a lot of substance in this article. It's more conjecture & generalization.

It also makes the case for the opposite of what Trump & some of the Islamophobes usually advocate - which is excluding Muslims and making them feel like outsiders, and marginalizing them based on their religion.
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The Muslim religion is incompatible with Western civilization......they do not acknowledge......

Freedom to practice any or no religion of your choice....

Equal Education allowed for boys and girls alike.....

Tolerance of homosexuals

Tolerance of transsexuals

Homosexual marriage

Protection of minor children from being forced into arranged marriages

Equal protection and equal justice for both males and females

the laws against wife beating

Forcing females to wear special attire, being chaperoned by male relatives in public, slavery, mutilation, etc, etc., etc.
 
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LOL - I don't think that NOVA realizes that he just argued that most on the right are "incompatible with Western civilization."

I've known that for awhile, bravs. Good to see you onboard.
 
Thing1 said:
And both things the right-wing has very little to no tolerance for.

How you miss that irony is beyond me.
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I imagine a few on the left of the politician spectrum could be included too. The point is,
Both are tolerated by the vast majority of western civilizations of the world.....that certainly don't mean each and every single person within western civilization in the world isn't without a prejudices of some kind or another. I'm certainly not talking about each and every single persons beliefs or values....

Are you really a buffoon or are you just stupid.?
 
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The Muslim religion is incompatible with Western civilization.....
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Not with intelligent Western civilisation. Only with Western imperialism and greed

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Leftists enjoy watching Muslims blow stuff up. It serves us right for imperialism and the Crusades (those things which followed over 450 years of Muslim imperialism).
 
Moonflower said:
...but I reiterate that I probably encounter more Muslims on a weekly basis than he has in his entire lifetime.
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And to date you have not, in fact, been bombed into oblivion (unless you're a forum-posting ghost).

I guess not all Muslims are evil, violent murderers who deserve tossing out of the country, increased scrutiny of their neighborhoods or banning of their religion. Weird. Who'd have thought it?

But frankly, I think the point Ms. Alibhai-Brown makes regarding looking into the past of non-Muslim mass killers is a germane one.

We don't let children choose what religion they are, or if they want religion at all. From the moment the child of Methodist parents is born, for example, we'd say, "That's a Christian child" or more specifically, "That's a Methodist child."

But is it? No, it's not. It's the child of Methodist parents who have made the choice for their offspring before the offspring can make its own choice, and then it is indoctrinated into whatever faith (or sect, Methodist vs. Catholic vs. Lutheran, etc. for Christians) its parents have chosen by the insertion of dogma into its mind from a young age (see: Brainwashing).

So it's pretty appropriate that we look back at the upbringing and psychological impact of all aspects of the actors in such attacks.

But then what? Do we declare the indoctrination of children into all religions to be a form of child abuse? Do we make people wait until they're 18 before they can join a religion (because until then they can't legally make choices for themselves) because that's a decision adults should make and can have a serious impact on their psychological development as a child?

The only way to stop attacks by religious zealots, at least in our own country, is to ban religion entirely - which we cannot do and a step which I would not advocate.

Neither would I advocate the banning of any single religion, regardless of the reason, or call for increased scrutiny of a religion's members because an amazingly small fraction of the faithful are violent murderers.
 
Well said.

We could start by banning the teaching of religions in children's schools.

Some parents will want to take over the indictrination at home- but at least it won't be endorsed by the state.
 
Stelakh said:
And to date you have not, in fact, been bombed into oblivion (unless you're a forum-posting ghost).

I guess not all Muslims are evil, violent murderers who deserve tossing out of the country, increased scrutiny of their neighborhoods or banning of their religion. Weird. Who'd have thought it?

But frankly, I think the point Ms. Alibhai-Brown makes regarding looking into the past of non-Muslim mass killers is a germane one.

We don't let children choose what religion they are, or if they want religion at all. From the moment the child of Methodist parents is born, for example, we'd say, "That's a Christian child" or more specifically, "That's a Methodist child."

But is it? No, it's not. It's the child of Methodist parents who have made the choice for their offspring before the offspring can make its own choice, and then it is indoctrinated into whatever faith (or sect, Methodist vs. Catholic vs. Lutheran, etc. for Christians) its parents have chosen by the insertion of dogma into its mind from a young age (see: Brainwashing).

So it's pretty appropriate that we look back at the upbringing and psychological impact of all aspects of the actors in such attacks.

But then what? Do we declare the indoctrination of children into all religions to be a form of child abuse? Do we make people wait until they're 18 before they can join a religion (because until then they can't legally make choices for themselves) because that's a decision adults should make and can have a serious impact on their psychological development as a child?

The only way to stop attacks by religious zealots, at least in our own country, is to ban religion entirely - which we cannot do and a step which I would not advocate.

Neither would I advocate the banning of any single religion, regardless of the reason, or call for increased scrutiny of a religion's members because an amazingly small fraction of the faithful are violent murderers.
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What you do is keep a close watch on foreign clerics preaching in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter. If any are found to be fomenting Jihad and railing against Jews then the mosque should be shut down as they do in France until they clean up their act. All madrasas and Muslim faith based schools should also be closely monitored for incitement to racial hatred, they even do this in Pakistan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ice-concerns-about-tory-crackdown-on-madrasas
 
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