At least 11 dead after two bombs rock the American Airlines checkin in Brussels

Thing1 said:
I don't look at it as a "nuisance." I think Islamic extremism (and I have no problem w/ that term) is a huge problem - ISIS in particular. I'm all for anything that logically addresses that problem.

To suggest that your remarks are limited to extremists is pretty ridiculous. You definitely feed into the xenophobia & Islamophobia that exists when it comes to this stuff. There are extremists that go under all kinds of religions & banners. Muslim groups around the world have already condemned this action. It sucks that there are those who use religion to mask their political agenda, and who carry out this kind of violence. No one is diminishing that by suggesting that it's dopey to blame the entire religion.

I'm personally glad that most people didn't blame all of Christianity for the atrocities of the KKK 50 or so years ago.
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Years ago is the key concept with the Klan. But every time there's an Islamic terror attack the left goes into Muslim protection mode, even though Muslims are rarely harmed by the seemingly ubiquitous Islamophobes.

The vast bulk of Islamophobia is rhetoric. And it ranges from outright bigotry against Muslims to legitimate criticisms of Islam. But the vast bulk of it is literally talk.

What is the death count from Islamophobia as compared to radical Islam?
 
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Darth Hussein Omar said:
Years ago is the key concept with the Klan. But every time there's an Islamic terror attack the left goes into Muslim protection mode, even though Muslims are rarely harmed by the seemingly ubiquitous Islamophobes.

The vast bulk of Islamophobia is rhetoric. And it ranges from outright bigotry against Muslims to legitimate criticisms of Islam. But the vast bulk of it is literally talk.

What is the death count from Islamophobia as compared to radical Islam?
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Wait a sec - is this actually an essay in defense of Islamophobia?

I don't care how many years ago the KKK was. Many who lived then are still alive today. It would have been just as wrong for someone to post "F**k Christianity" after a KKK bombing, or suggest that we should ban Christians for awhile until we figure the whole thing out. That's the whole thing about "phobias": they're irrational.
 
Thing1 said:
Yeah - because we're so close to 100% right now.

Curious, ILA - what is your "plan" for 1.6 billion people? What "anything" that you mention above do you think we should do?
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At a minimum we should ban all immigration from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Somalia etc

Second any mosque in this country that has a hint of radicalism gets shut down

Not that complicated really
 
I Love America said:
At a minimum we should ban all immigration from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Somalia etc

Second any mosque in this country that has a hint of radicalism gets shut down

Not that complicated really
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They do that in France already to some extent. Iran doesn't have suicide bombers as that is exclusively a Sunni thing.
 
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I Love America said:
At a minimum we should ban all immigration from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Somalia etc

Second any mosque in this country that has a hint of radicalism gets shut down

Not that complicated really
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I don't have a problem w/ a temporary ban that's targeted at that region. I think the standards for shutting down mosques would have to be crystal clear.

I just watched "Trumbo," about the blacklisting in the 40's & 50's. You might think that doesn't relate to this situation, but to me, it's a direct parallel. Fear makes us do some pretty irrational things. People back then thought they were protecting America - but they were really undermining everything that America stands for.
 
Thing1 said:
Wait a sec - is this actually an essay in defense of Islamophobia?

I don't care how many years ago the KKK was. Many who lived then are still alive today. It would have been just as wrong for someone to post "F**k Christianity" after a KKK bombing, or suggest that we should ban Christians for awhile until we figure the whole thing out. That's the whole thing about "phobias": they're irrational.
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They're idiotic but that's [I believe that's a legitimate contraction, lol] another debate.

You're still complaining about words. It's rude, crass, impolite or whatever to say F' Islam, but it doesn't kill anyone.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
They're idiotic but that's [I believe that's a legitimate contraction, lol] another debate.

You're still complaining about words. It's rude, crass, impolite or whatever to say F' Islam, but it doesn't kill anyone.
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It doesn't kill anyone, but it's not the kind of country I want to live in. I think Trump has done a great disservice by redefining "political correctness." I hate PC, and always have. But I don't consider telling an entire religion to screw off to be an element of PC. To me, generalizing about any group just represents ignorance.

It's in vogue to say screw Islam now, but what if we substituted Jews for Islam? Or blacks? Or women? Or the elderly? Or the Irish, or Italians, or Latinos?

It's how we used to be. If we can't even muster evolving past that basic prejudice, it doesn't speak that well of us, imo.
 
Thing1 said:
Trump never said it was about fixing the "vetting" system. That was in invention of Sean Hannity & Laura Ingraham when he 1st announced the proposed ban.

Trump was asked to clarify his comments several times, and his only explanation was that it was until we figure out "why they hate us so much." It had absolutely nothing to do w/ vetting. Nothing. Hannity has done Trump a great service by continually repeating that fabrication on his show, because Trump's explanation was ridiculous.
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Trumps language is so inexact (stream of conscious blathering) it's hard to say what he means.

Obama studiously avoids linking salafi jihad with Islam..Everybody knows the score by now, but no one can speak clearly.
Clinton is busily reminding us that "not all of Islam is terrorist" ( my words)

ISIS is a terrorist army in the ME, and apocalyptical Islam blended with political Islam worldwide.
Or "salafi jihadists" for shorthand...

So what are we going to do about it, except debate what language to use?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
It's not a fabrication. Trump said he advocated banning Muslims from entering "UNTIL our representatives figured out what the hell was going on".

The parties guilty of fabrication, and they are legion, lopped-off the UNTIL to make Trump sound like Hitler.

All Hannity did was fill in the blanks. Since 'figuring out what the hell is going on' can only translate into vetting policy.

A policy that is currently hamstrung by political correctness.
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that was Trumps words? well I disagree with that wide a net, but I do agree in regards to Syrian refugees that at least makes sense.
I simply do not believe we are doing a decent job of vetting..

But as to Europe the guest worker program caused a lot of this -that and alienation, inability to assimilate etc.
Europe's open borders is going to cause more rather then less of this going forward.
 
Thing1 said:
Wait a sec - is this actually an essay in defense of Islamophobia?

I don't care how many years ago the KKK was. Many who lived then are still alive today. It would have been just as wrong for someone to post "F**k Christianity" after a KKK bombing, or suggest that we should ban Christians for awhile until we figure the whole thing out. That's the whole thing about "phobias": they're irrational.
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they are not irrational. Muslims are a far more violent and backwards religion. Christianity has largely been westernized and neutered over centuries. Islam is still mostly prominent in poor, under-educated, backwards shitholes.

The facts are the facts. I have posted the stats many times on here, the amount of muslims that believe in death for apostasy alone is staggering.
 
British man who failed to turn up for work and American student are among those missing after Belgian terror attacks as frantic families turn to social media in desperate bid to trace their relatives



A British man, who is believed to have been on the Metro system at the time of the Brussels blast, has been reported missing. David Dixon, originally from Hartlepool, has not been in contact with his partner Charlotte Louise Sutcliffe since leaving for work this morning.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the blasts at Brussels Airport and a metro station, which have killed 34 in total and injured close to 200 others. Mr Dixon, who lives and works in the Belgian capital, did not arrive at his office today and concerns of his whereabouts are growing.

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David Dixon, from Hartlepool, has not been in contact with his partner Charlotte Louise Sutcliffe since leaving for work this morning

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New York siblings Sascha (pictured) and Alexander Pinczowski were at Brussels Airport at the time of the two explosions inside a terminal
 
Thing1 said:
I don't have a problem w/ a temporary ban that's targeted at that region. I think the standards for shutting down mosques would have to be crystal clear.

I just watched "Trumbo," about the blacklisting in the 40's & 50's. You might think that doesn't relate to this situation, but to me, it's a direct parallel. Fear makes us do some pretty irrational things. People back then thought they were protecting America - but they were really undermining everything that America stands for.
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Somehow people being afraid and angry have been deemed irrational.

Can you really state that given all that has happened from 9-11 to Boston to Paris to San Bernadino to Fort Hood to Brussels doesn't give people the right to be afraid?

The one attribute all of those have in common is that they were committed by adherents of islum. To be honest I don't give a flying fuck why they are doing it. The fact that they are is enough for me.
 
Thing1 said:
It would have been just as wrong for someone to post "F**k Christianity" after a KKK bombing, or suggest that we should ban Christians for awhile until we figure the whole thing out.
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actually it would have been far worse.......you should be posting "F**k Democrats" after KKK bombings, not attacking Christians......
 
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