Republican Meltdown!

Imagine... Trump, Ventura, Clinton, and the magic Independent Conservative from Jarod's imagination all running. This election cycle is going to RULE!
 
OH, I forgot. Bloomberg... Trump, HillBillary, Bloomberg, Jesse Ventura, and this imaginary Independent Conservative... :D
 
I am expecting the first major realignment sense I've been paying attention to politics. Its going to be exciting and good for America, I think the things I hated about the Republican party, and somewhat the Democratic party are going to be relegated to dumpster status. It looks to me like the evangelicals are already accepting a smaller role by supporting Trump over Cruz. They are going for someone who is sympathetic to them, when in the past they would have gone for Cruz because he is them.
 
Jarod said:
I am expecting the first major realignment sense I've been paying attention to politics. Its going to be exciting and good for America, I think the things I hated about the Republican party, and somewhat the Democratic party are going to be relegated to dumpster status. It looks to me like the evangelicals are already accepting a smaller role by supporting Trump over Cruz. They are going for someone who is sympathetic to them, when in the past they would have gone for Cruz because he is them.
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How do you expect it to play out? What constituency do the Democrats lose?
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
How do you expect it to play out? What constituency do the Democrats lose?
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I don't know, but I think the Republicans Southern Strategy envisioned by Nixon and used in every successful Republican election since is done for. The Democrats brilliantly set this current debacle in the Republican primary up brilliantly using the emigration issue as it unfolded in Congress two years ago. They made all the electable candidates unacceptable to the electorate by getting them to push for a solution that failed in the end using the refusal of the TEA party do nothings and Ted Cruz. The only solution was for the Republicans to nominate someone who will be unacceptable to the general electorate. I don't think they counted on Trump, and lets see if the brilliantly executed plan works or backfires. Regardless it seems to have finally pushed the Republican party over the cliff they have been teetering on for years. Ironic the TEA party ultimately unsuccessful in its goals, likely was the straw that the Democrats used to break the Republicans backs.

Its even less clear how it will play out in the Democratic party. The fall of the foil, the loss of its great adversary will certainty change the Democratic party, but how I don't know. I hope it becomes less dependent on pandering to small groups and more progressive toward helping even out the disparity of wealth in our nation. Less play on the despondent and more focused on creating opportunity instead of trading on the lack of opportunity.
 
Damocles said:
I'm just guessing at what Jarod meant.
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What do you guess I meant?

Very few of the Democratic party supports Direct Socialism, but I would say the majority support adding some "socialist" elements to our system in an effort to create a more even opportunity less dependent on the conditions upon which you were born.

Not even Bernie Sanders is a pure Socialist, he is more of one than any president we have ever had, but on the spectrum there are very few who are 100%.
 
The Dude said:
Such weakness
The dems need to lose some blue collar middle class for trump to win
And the might
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They have not controlled that constituency too tightly for several elections now. They may lose a bigger share of it this time but I don't see how it can overcome what the Republicans are going to lose.

I am skeptical about there being any permanent realignment.
 
There are almost 150 million registered voters in the U.S. In theory each party wants to get the most votes possible but in reality all you need is more than your opponent no matter what that number is.

Half a century ago the Northeast was mostly Republican and the South Democratic. That's changed today. What big sea change do we see coming? No one tries to win votes in the South anymore?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Panicking Mitch McConnell Says GOP Will Help Hillary Beat Trump If He Wins The Nomination


In the most surreal moment in modern American politics, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told panicking Republicans that the GOP would actively destroy Donald Trump’s election chances if it came to that. That rush of warm air you feel on your face? It’s the wave of radiation from the Republican Party’s nuclear meltdown. We’re witnessing the death of a major political party.

Things are getting truly desperate in conservative camps and the grim acceptance that this isn’t a bad dream and that Trump is almost surely going to win the nomination has begun to set in. It’s led to an odd plan. In a stunning report by the New York Times, Republican sources confirm that party leadership is planning to destroy Trump and give Hillary Clinton the win rather than let him have control of the GOP.

To rally depressed Republicans, McConnell has hatched an unthinkable tactical retreat: Let Hillary Clinton win and focus on maintaining control over the Senate.

"While still hopeful that Mr. Rubio might prevail, Mr. McConnell has begun preparing senators for the prospect of a Trump nomination, assuring them that, if it threatened to harm them in the general election, they could run negative ads about Mr. Trump to create space between him and Republican senators seeking re-election. Mr. McConnell has raised the possibility of treating Mr. Trump’s loss as a given and describing a Republican Senate to voters as a necessary check on a President Hillary Clinton, according to senators at the lunches."

Did you catch that? Mitch McConnell floated the idea of tanking his party’s own candidate for president over sandwiches at lunch.

McConnell’s thinking is this: If Republicans accept that Trump will never win the general election, they can devote their energy towards running against Clinton at the senate level. If that sounds insane, then welcome to the Republican Party in 2016.

The saddest part in this scheme is that McConnell’s plan probably won’t even work – at least not in the way he hopes. For one thing, Trump has run his entire campaign on being anti-everything the current “establishment” Republican Party stands for. If his rabid supporters catch wind of the fact that loathed senators like Mitch McConnell are lining against him, that will only make him more popular. Trump’s been saying the party is against him all along. This only confirms it.

Making matters even more dire, McConnell’s tenure as Senate Leader has been defined by such egregious levels of obstructionism that Republican lawmakers are roughly as popular as athlete’s foot. In just the last few weeks, sources leaked McConnell’s plan to literally do nothing during this year’s legislative session. If that “do nothing” strategy is shameful, he only made it worse by following it up with the announcement that he would be blocking President Obama’s Supreme Court Justice nominee to score political points. Neither decision was popular with Democrats or Republicans.

As a result, polls suggest McConnell is leading Senate Republicans into an epic defeat on election day. Having destroyed Trump to save the jobs of Senate Republicans, he will be left with nothing to show for it. A fitting end to a Republican Party that rushed so fast to the bottom that they didn’t realize they had jumped off of a cliff.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/0...hillary-beat-trump-if-he-wins-the-nomination/
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the GOP lies are killing it
 
Jarod said:
I told you guys four years ago the Republican party needed to make certain changes or perish as it existed.


It appears to be perishing as it existed at this point. Even if Trump wins, the Republican party of old is dead.

Maybe most of us agree this is a good thing, something will be reborn of its ashes, lets hope its an improvement upon the GOP.
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And what exactly what would be an improvement to you?

A republican party that advocates abortion? queer marriage? higher taxes? more government intrusion into our lives?

In short a republican part that calls itself an opposition party but does what the democrat part wants?
 
cawacko said:
There are almost 150 million registered voters in the U.S. In theory each party wants to get the most votes possible but in reality all you need is more than your opponent no matter what that number is.

Half a century ago the Northeast was mostly Republican and the South Democratic. That's changed today. What big sea change do we see coming? No one tries to win votes in the South anymore?
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I think it will be a fight for the Southern vote, but what is happening is that the voters who remember the fight over segregation, those who left the Democratic party because of Johnson's stance on forcing them to integrate are dying out. Its not going to be so easy to get the South simply by throwing racist shade. The Southerners are however the most reliably conservative voters on other issues. They are very religious and blur the line between religion and politics more reliably than any other group. The Conservatives will have the Southern Vote, but who will have the Conservatives?
 
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