The largest single $ drain in US military history

evince said:
because we are not thieves
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I know some who would disagree, but in general, we are not thieves, so if we give back ANY money to those fanatics, it should have been the original 400 mil. and that's IT. Tell me desh, what do you think they will use it for? Do you think it more likely they will build schools, hospitals and infrastructure, or is it more likely to go for yellow cake and centrifuges with some unguided Katusha rockets and RPGs thrown in for hizbullah? And you wonder why Israel wants more military aid?
 
callinectes said:
Why the hell are we paying them 1.3 billion dollars in INTEREST on a 400 million dollar payment for ARMS? Do you want the government exposed for having no principles?
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They gave the US 400 million to buy arms- 35 years ago. The US sat on it- for political reasons. Arbitration at The Hague decided that the 1300 million was compensation for interest. It seems like a pretty good deal . How much interest alone would you expect on 400 million over 35 years ?
Anyway- it's their money and giving it back is not optional It is not a gift like the fifty billion dollars being heaped on Israeli fascists- and that's just over 10 years.
 
callinectes said:
I know some who would disagree, but in general, we are not thieves, so if we give back ANY money to those fanatics, it should have been the original 400 mil. and that's IT. Tell me desh, what do you think they will use it for? Do you think it more likely they will build schools, hospitals and infrastructure, or is it more likely to go for yellow cake and centrifuges with some unguided Katusha rockets and RPGs thrown in for hizbullah? And you wonder why Israel wants more military aid?
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Everybody knows that there is no Iranian nuclear program. The CIA and MOSSAD stated some time back that none existed. By banging the phantom nuke drum the Israelis have conned the US public out of another 50 billion dollars.

And that's not the end of it. Israel still wants war with Iran- American war, that is. The 50 billion is just a greaser for more neoZionist aggression.
 
moon2012 said:
Everybody knows that there is no Iranian nuclear program. The CIA and MOSSAD stated some time back that none existed. By banging the phantom nuke drum the Israelis have conned the US public out of another 50 billion dollars.

And that's not the end of it. Israel still wants war with Iran- American war, that is. The 50 billion is just a greaser for more neoZionist aggression.
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I don't know if there was or not. I don't think Iran really needs nukes; all it would do is cause SA to buy them from Pakistan-
and Pakistan will sell them.
Iranian hegemony being as successful as it is now, why should they risk any blow back by getting nukes?

Nukes are unusable - some say the apocalyptic nature of fundamentalist Islam means the Iranians aren't rational
but all of their behavior has been so.

Anyways the ME is bound to go nuclear sooner or later, but I don't see any pressing problems -with or without the Iran nuke deal.

as to Israel - I doubt giving them any more/less money is going to change their iron fist over Gaza.
Israel has a tiger by the tail, I mean Hamas is dug in and Hamas doesn't really care about the Palestinians either.
Nobody really cares about the Palestinians -Arab states use them as pawns.

For sure the Jewish/Zionist lobby does have enormous away over our "special relationship" with Israel.
I take it as a given. I don't know how to stop the settlements anymore then "mowing the grass of Gaza.
 
The United States will spend $37.9 billion on foreign aid in 2016.


Think if we stopped sending all that money and spent it here on our own first....
 
anatta said:
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and Hamas doesn't really care about the Palestinians either.
Nobody really cares about the Palestinians
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I have to disagree with this section of your- otherwise agreeable- post.

Hamas seeks fredom for Palestine. Why is that not caring for Palestinians ?
Hamas refuses to give up on the Palestinians Right of Return- as allowed them by UNGAR 194. Why is that not caring for Palestinians ?
http://www.unrwa.org/content/resolution-194
Hamas refuses to allow Fatah to strike deals with Israel to the detriment of all Palestinians, including the 5.5 million in the diaspora. Why is that not caring for Palestinians ?
Hamas runs social programs for Palestinians and attempts to beat the illegal Israeli blockade on behalf of Palestinians. Why is that not caring for them ?
Hamas members DIE for Palestinians when Israel concocts casus belli. Where does Hamas fail Palestinians ?
 
moon2012 said:
Not satisfied with $3 billion a year the Israelis are demanding that the US taxpayer hands over $5 billion every year for ten years. Netanyahu, Israel's current neoZionist leader, even has the gall to suggest that he might not accept that amount in the hope of squeezing more out of the next president.

Bear this in mind- Israel's refusal to comply with US requests to cease illegal building in occupied Palestinian territory along with the illegal transfer of populations has tarnished the reputation of the US . Obama has even been forced to veto his own proposals at the United Nations. Further, $50 billion in the hands of this rogue regime will ensure that the Middle East remains hell on earth for millions of its inhabitants and that war with Iran is always on the tongues of the Israel First lobby in Washington. As long as Israelis believe that the US will cover for them, no matter what, then they will continue to drive for war- because the foundation of their doctrine is ethnic cleansing and expansion. This will not stop with Palestine. They are NOT seeking a peaceful life in UN mandated Israel.

We've created this problem and we should put all our elected leaders to the test by making support for Israel's wars a vote LOSER- not a vote winner.
Don't give them $5 billion a year. Give them nothing until they act responsibly.
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This is hardly the 'largest single drain in US military history'
 
moon2012 said:
I have to disagree with this section of your- otherwise agreeable- post.

Hamas seeks fredom for Palestine. Why is that not caring for Palestinians ?
Hamas refuses to give up on the Palestinians Right of Return- as allowed them by UNGAR 194. Why is that not caring for Palestinians ?
http://www.unrwa.org/content/resolution-194
Hamas refuses to allow Fatah to strike deals with Israel to the detriment of all Palestinians, including the 5.5 million in the diaspora. Why is that not caring for Palestinians ?
Hamas runs social programs for Palestinians and attempts to beat the illegal Israeli blockade on behalf of Palestinians. Why is that not caring for them ?
Hamas members DIE for Palestinians when Israel concocts casus belli. Where does Hamas fail Palestinians ?
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all excellent points, and my words were too overarching that Hamas "doesn't care"..
I was watching the last Gaza war when Hamas was using UN Schools as weapons depots, and living in big houses
( somewhere out side of gaza) so they looked like the were taking advantage of the Palestbnians.

However I was getting a lot of my info from Israeli sources, and I do understand war is brutal - being a freedom fighter means
doing unpleasant things in the short run for long terms liberations..

I take your point. You are much more well versed on this then I am. It's such an intractable problem I tend to shy away from study of it
 
callinectes said:
I know some who would disagree, but in general, we are not thieves, so if we give back ANY money to those fanatics, it should have been the original 400 mil. and that's IT. Tell me desh, what do you think they will use it for? Do you think it more likely they will build schools, hospitals and infrastructure, or is it more likely to go for yellow cake and centrifuges with some unguided Katusha rockets and RPGs thrown in for hizbullah? And you wonder why Israel wants more military aid?
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The iranian cunts should not have gotten a penny; all of it should have been confiscated to pay for the thousands of maimed and murdered GIs in iraq due to the terrorism, weapons and bombs from iran. iran owes the US hundreds of billions in reparations for those soldiers, as well as the 241 US marines and 85 US diplomats murdered in Lebanon in 1983.

Funny how cunts such as the dogshit posting the OP never mentioned those events.

Also funny is how the same asshole poster avoids mentioning the ONE TRILLION dollars spent by the US on iraq, or the BILLIONS given to pakistan, who hid obama bin laden for years.

The issue is why does this turd only bring up Israel, when FAR more money is being sent elsewhere?
 
anatta said:
all excellent points, and my words were too overarching that Hamas "doesn't care"..
I was watching the last Gaza war when Hamas was using UN Schools as weapons depots, and living in big houses
( somewhere out side of gaza) so they looked like the were taking advantage of the Palestbnians.

However I was getting a lot of my info from Israeli sources, and I do understand war is brutal - being a freedom fighter means
doing unpleasant things in the short run for long terms liberations..

I take your point. You are much more well versed on this then I am. It's such an intractable problem I tend to shy away from study of it
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Do not believe for a nanosecond anything coming from that piece of shit.

Hamas wants to "help" the pal arabs? That is one of the most ludicrous lies, ever. Ask cunts like that dogshit of a propagandist/poster:

1) why do so many of their leaders live abroad in luxury homes, while the ones in gaza are crushing/oppressing the people there?

2) if they cared so much about them, why is there no freedom of speech or assembly, individual civil rights, women's rights, or a free press in gaza?

3) why did they shoot outright over 20 democracy advocates a few months ago?

4) why groups like Tamarod who are seeking real peace and democracy in gaza are oppressed, attacked, or murdered?

5) why they are diverting all of the concrete and building supplies coming into gaza towards building terror tunnels instead of rebuilding homes and buildings?

6) why does hamas refuse to accept peace with Israel, and continues to fire indiscriminate rockets at Israel which is a war crime?

7) why did hamas regularly fire rockets and mortars at the various crossings between Israel and Gaza when Israel kept them open for several years after it left gaza?

A leadership that actually gave a fuck about the people underneath it would not be oppressing and murdering them. Only mentally ill, diseased and stupid trash like the scumbag apologist you are speaking with would even begin to think that. One has to be a seriously stupid piece of shit to apologize for hamas, amongst the world's worst terrorists.
 
Oh gee, another anti-semitic screed on Just Plain Pathetic; color me shocked.

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transwarpdrive said:
Do not believe for a nanosecond anything coming from that piece of shit.
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And what's your interest in promoting neoZionism ? Are you an arms dealer , an estate agent with illegal Palestinian interests, a neozionist industrialist looking for Palestinian labour to exploit, a common-or-garden sadist who enjoys spraying babies with white phosphorus ? What's your angle, potty-mouth ?
 
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transwarpdrive said:
Do not believe for a nanosecond anything coming from that piece of shit.

Hamas wants to "help" the pal arabs? That is one of the most ludicrous lies, ever. Ask cunts like that dogshit of a propagandist/poster:

1) why do so many of their leaders live abroad in luxury homes, while the ones in gaza are crushing/oppressing the people there?

2) if they cared so much about them, why is there no freedom of speech or assembly, individual civil rights, women's rights, or a free press in gaza?

3) why did they shoot outright over 20 democracy advocates a few months ago?

4) why groups like Tamarod who are seeking real peace and democracy in gaza are oppressed, attacked, or murdered?

5) why they are diverting all of the concrete and building supplies coming into gaza towards building terror tunnels instead of rebuilding homes and buildings?

6) why does hamas refuse to accept peace with Israel, and continues to fire indiscriminate rockets at Israel which is a war crime?

7) why did hamas regularly fire rockets and mortars at the various crossings between Israel and Gaza when Israel kept them open for several years after it left gaza?

A leadership that actually gave a fuck about the people underneath it would not be oppressing and murdering them. Only mentally ill, diseased and stupid trash like the scumbag apologist you are speaking with would even begin to think that. One has to be a seriously stupid piece of shit to apologize for hamas, amongst the world's worst terrorists.
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some good points also..
it's all very complicated with lots of bad blood. as I stated prior I am more reading others on this rather then getting involved
 
anatta said:
some good points also..
it's all very complicated with lots of bad blood. as I stated prior I am more reading others on this rather then getting involved
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Just ignore the racist trash represented by garbage like "moon," and you will learn as you study the situation how 95% of this and the other conflicts in the mideast involving arab muslims are due to their supremist attitude as driven by the death cult, islam. That death cult causes arab muslims to not tolerate the rights of others, and to attack them depending upon how closely the muslim follows that book.

I came to this conclusion decades ago when studying this situation and wondering why the arab muslims were at almost perpetual war with their neighbors, and so oppressive and murderous with respect to the minority non-muslims in their countries. An objective student of history - not one with an agenda - will come to the same conclusion.
 
callinectes said:
I know some who would disagree, but in general, we are not thieves, so if we give back ANY money to those fanatics, it should have been the original 400 mil. and that's IT. Tell me desh, what do you think they will use it for? Do you think it more likely they will build schools, hospitals and infrastructure, or is it more likely to go for yellow cake and centrifuges with some unguided Katusha rockets and RPGs thrown in for hizbullah? And you wonder why Israel wants more military aid?
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governments could make money off he interest of holding others governments money you fool.

who do you suggest should get the interest?
 
Israel apparently thinks it needs a quarter of NASA's entire budget from us, in addition to its own resources, in order to defend itself. I'd rather launch more space rockets, personally.
 
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