So you say.
Rubio - no exceptions for rape & incest?
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So you say.
If one believes that it is life, then why does his stance surprise you? Would you kill a person born of rape or incest?
How is the left's view of abortion draconian and absolute?
You really can't figure that out for yourself ? Realize first, pregnancy is not a disease....
Many people say it should be legal and rare, right and left, Democrats and Republicans.....but is there any negotiation on the issue.....
The far right simply wants to make it illegal in all instances......draconian
The far left simply wants to allow it at will in all instances, anytime.....I'd call that just as draconian....
Personally I don't look at abortion as a means of birth control for convenience....
But it certainly must be allowed if the birth might mean the death of the mother....
Those are the next two extremes, but their is no attempt at negotiation from either side....both are set in their positions like cement.
In any case I don't think it should be taxpayer supported...infringing on the religious moral values of some........those that feel we must have it in all circumstances , let them, and them only, support it....
There are many people that want to adopt, we have foster care.....we give away some free contraception, we can cover operations to prevent pregnancy completely if that is wanted....
Reminds me of the gun crowd....but they have negotiated. The right has supported background checks, restrictions for sellers and gun shows, etc.... restrictions on the sale of ammunition, waiting periods....and those laws have served us well, as long one side knows when its time stop making demands on gun owners....
All it takes is a little common sense.
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Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
the idea of everyone having an equal and valid say is a complete joke. The vast majority of human history had leaders and followers, tribal chiefs and their villagers, kings and their serfs. Nobels and the dirty proles. Humans look to leaders, they look to be led. It is in most of humanities nature to be a slave.
We stand on our soap boxes and waste so much energy on trying to drag these proles along with us, kicking and screaming. They call snowden a traitor. They are happy to be spied on and living under a microscope. Well I say fuck them. They continue to vote to rob us of our money, they continue to vote to suck the proverbial dick of government. They actively hurt us and damage us. I say no more. Let those that want to be serfs, be serfs. It's time we give up on the poor, the weak, the stupid. Kill the homeless. Let the poor die. What do they do for us? Nothing. I say grant freedom to only those that want it. Lets join the inner party and tell everyone else to get fucked.
yeah it makes no sense. If you truly believe it is a human life then exceptions for rape or incest should be immaterial. You wouldn't kill a baby born of incest or rape, so why would they sanction the killing of what they believe to be a human in those circumstances? It makes zero sense. It just shows they are trying to control women's sexual habits or something. I have much more respect for those that say no abortion under any circumstance. At least that is a consistent philosophy.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Meh, he might as well advocate against the mining of iron ore on Pluto lol. Abortion was taken out of the hands of the president or anyone else with Roe v Wade. He could try appointing conservative justices to the Supreme Court [where 9 people get to vote on it---go figure] but that's a crap-shoot.
Liberals should like this though. It gets them motivated kind of like the way 'Obama is going to take our guns' does on the right.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
I can't help but ask lol. If a human embryo isn't human, what is it?
If Rubio gets the nomination I'm voting for him. I probably will abstain again if it is anyone else. I put Trump, Hillary and Bernie in the same category...with Cruz just outside them. Meaning I'd vote for Cruz over the other three but wouldn't like it. But Rubio has emerged as my favorite of those with a chance.
I have taught two in my career. Children born of rape because of the convictions of the mother. Both kids have grown into educated, productive adults. Of course, they had the fortune of being born to morally grounded, hard working families in a community that absolutely supported the mothers in their decisions.
I remain torn here. I understand the desire to abort. I was personally involved and saw firsthand one of the previously mentioned girls struggle with it. But I also keep coming back to: If I believe that abortion is the murder of a human life, and I do, then even in the case of rape we would just be committing another wrong.
All that said, I am of the same opinion of Jcraft. Nothing is going to change regarding abortion even if Rubio was president. Even the president wouldn't have that much power.
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Having no exception for rape or incest is very consistent. These two "so called" exceptions are nothing but deceptive tactics used by the pro abortion lobby.
Leave aside for a second that accordInt to CDC statistics less than 1% of abortions are because of rape or incest, I still fail to see how taking a life mitigates those horrific acts.
When asked if they would accept making rape legal ONLY for rape or incest, the left says categorically NO. This exposes their weak argument. Republicans who fall into the "rape or incest" trap are fools. Because once you accept that it is OK to kill an unborn child in those circumstances, you have established that it is OK to kill an unborn child. Period.
As I have always said with the exception of rape and incest, if a woman had control over her body she wouldn't be getting pregnant against her will.
Leave aside for a second that accordInt to CDC statistics less than 1% of abortions are because of rape or incest, I still fail to see how taking a life mitigates those horrific acts.
When asked if they would accept making rape legal ONLY for rape or incest, the left says categorically NO. This exposes their weak argument. Republicans who fall into the "rape or incest" trap are fools. Because once you accept that it is OK to kill an unborn child in those circumstances, you have established that it is OK to kill an unborn child. Period.
As I have always said with the exception of rape and incest, if a woman had control over her body she wouldn't be getting pregnant against her will.
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To me, it's a very extreme position. It indicates an absolute that I find to be irrational.
If your highest absolute is not taking a human life, why have we seen so many so-called pro-lifers support voluntary wars, or the death penalty? I find immense hypocrisy on this topic, as well as a general lack of compassion for victims. It's just one of those things I'll never get, and I'll always be glad that I don't have that mindset.
If your highest absolute is not taking a human life, why have we seen so many so-called pro-lifers support voluntary wars, or the death penalty? I find immense hypocrisy on this topic, as well as a general lack of compassion for victims. It's just one of those things I'll never get, and I'll always be glad that I don't have that mindset.
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Apples and oranges.
The death penalty is easy. That person had a choice in their behavior. The unborn doesn't.
War should not be taken lightly, but it is a fact if life.
Mr.Badguy
Super lefty
If you put Bernie in the same category as the other two, then that means the only thing you know about Bernie is what you've been told to think about him.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Except, like Rubio, you're a man and will never get pregnant so you're opinion on the matter, like Rubio's, means exactly J Shit.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Well you should be sure you're consistent in your convictions.
Most of the "No abortion for any reason" crowd are the most hawkish warmongers I know. For example, ask Rubio if he would have invaded Iraq?
zappasguitar
Well-known member
So what are you waiting for?
Oh yeah, you sure do LOVE to TALK a big game, how bout just this once you back it up with some action?
You think the poor should die?
Then get out there and start killing.