ILA's "Hillary's email lies debunked once and for all"

Eno L. Camino said:
Have you ever considered that you were actually just diverting and obfuscating by going off topic?
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Yes, I considered that, and looked at the possibility, but I determined that my posts were not diverting or obfuscating, they were directly related to the topic.
 
Jarod said:
So, using your logic, every email Secretary Clinton ever received is required to be treated as classified because if it is ever later classified it will be determined to have always been classified?

Sorry, you cant enforce an ex post facto law in criminal court.
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Maybe the fact that she purposely bypassed and avoided the gov. so they could not be classified will have a bearing on the issue.....

and the fact that she is suppossed to KNOW what is sensitive and what is harmless without someone to tell her......

That "for convenience" crap ain't gonna cut it....

but have no fear....Obama's State Dept. will never attempt to to hold her responsible, he said as much already.....the double standard will prevail....
 
NOVA said:
Maybe the fact that she purposely bypassed and avoided the gov. so they could not be classified will have a bearing on the issue.....

and the fact that she is suppossed to KNOW what is sensitive and what is harmless without someone to tell her......

That "for convenience" crap ain't gonna cut it....

but have no fear....Obama's State Dept. will never attempt to to hold her responsible, he said as much already.....the double standard will prevail....
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You have a strong argument that what she did shows that she does not have good judgement and thus should not be president.

You are overreaching, based on what we know now, when you claim she is a criminal and belongs in jail.
 
NOVA said:
you said "Not everything is presumed classified."

I was agreeing with you....only about 1,274 so far, with tens of thousands more to look at.....
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I don't agree with you, you claimed EVERYTHING, is presumed classified.
 
Konono said:
Anyone who has thread banned is a pussy. Do you agree?
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Not necessarily, there is the proper time for it, but when its done to limit debate and because you don't want to hear the other side... yes... that's a pussy move.
 
Jarod said:
So, we know that information in emails found in HRC's account contain information that is currently classified.

We don't know if it was classified at the time it was placed on the server.

We don't know if HRC knew it was or would ever be classified.

We don't know if this information was ever accessed by anyone other than HRC.

We don't have any evidence this information was ever disclosed to anyone who it was not permitted to be disclosed to.

Don't get me wrong, I don't love HRC and don't put it past her to do underhanded things, but Republicans, who don't have many relevant facts are jumping the gun and have already convicted her in their minds. Many of them have convicted her of anything they can imagine she might have done, its how the Republican scandal machine works. They investigated Bill Clinton his entire presidency, until finally one of those investigations turned up a personal affair. An affair that occured years after the investigation had begun, and used that investigation to expose the affair and to set him up for charges related to trying to keep the affair secret. This appears to be the same thing, they were spending years and billions of dollars investigating her on Benghazi and in do doing found an unrelated practice HRC was engaged in as to how she stored her email. When it became clear they had nothing with the Benghazi investigations they leapfrogged onto this.

I wont call it a false scandal yet, because all the facts are not yet known, but as of now it has all the hallmarks of a product of the Republican false scandal machine.
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why do you skip all the scandals?

we also know that emails exist even though she told Congress they did not....
we also know that the emails included state department business even though she told Congress that they were only personal in nature...
we also know that they contain information that should have been classified even though she told Congress that they did not.....

so 1) we know she said things to Congress, under oath, which were not true.....2) we know that she made false statements to government investigators which interfered with the investigation.....can you think of anyone who has gone to jail for either 1) or 2) in less serious circumstances?........I can think of several.....
 
Jarod said:
I agree with this, with the proviso that much of what is called Classified should not be Classified. Classified status is used by government officials to cover their asses more often than it is used to protect vital interests.
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should the names of undercover US agents in Libya be classified?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why do you skip all the scandals?

we also know that emails exist even though she told Congress they did not....
we also know that the emails included state department business even though she told Congress that they were only personal in nature...
we also know that they contain information that should have been classified even though she told Congress that they did not.....

so 1) we know she said things to Congress, under oath, which were not true.....2) we know that she made false statements to government investigators which interfered with the investigation.....can you think of anyone who has gone to jail for either 1) or 2) in less serious circumstances?........I can think of several.....
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we also know that emails exist even though she told Congress they did not.... FALSE
we also know that the emails included state department business even though she told Congress that they were only personal in nature...FALSE
we also know that they contain information that should have been classified even though she told Congress that they did not.....FALSE

So...
1. Untrue, please provide what statements you believe were untrue.
2. Untrue, please provide what statements you believe were false.
 
Jarod said:
I've explained this several times in the last few weeks.

Originally I thought it was a great idea, however as it is enforced it does not work.

The "rules" have been used to prevent me from making relevant analogies based on claims that they are off topic.

So, when I would make an argument such as... "That would be as if you..." or "In the past you felt differently when you claimed..." it was erased by the moderators.

I hated when that happened and felt censored from valid and relevant argument, they were using the rules to avoid open discussion. They were using the rules to shut down dissent and claim victory. So, While I dislike the name calling and flame wars, I put up with them and avoid APP.
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That would hold water if you didn't just post in APP a couple of weeks ago. So.........you are lying

As to this thread. You are completely ignoring the document Hillary signed. Period. End of story.

She signed it. She was given education on how to treat classified information.

She has information that was TOP SECRET. I understand your desire to defend her no matter what. But hiding from APP is just being a pussy.

All of you liberals claim you want civil debate yet you are afraid to debate in the one place where civility is enforced. What does that say about you lefties that I can post there with no problem and you guys can't figure it out?
 
Jarod said:


we also know that emails exist even though she told Congress they did not.... FALSE
So...
1. Untrue, please provide what statements you believe were untrue.
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lets start with her testimony at her first hearing when she said no emails existed except those on State Department computers.....was that true?
 
Jarod said:
Situational.... Should Valery Plame's name have been classified?
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interesting question......you do realize that they put a guy in jail who didn't even release Valery Plame's name.....all he did was make a wrong statement to investigators about the date he met with someone........by that standard Hillary absolutely MUST be jailed......
 
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