Projection - looks about right....

callinectes said:
When you say "The basic idea is to use the Government to limit the power large corporations attain in a purely capitalist system", what are Comrade Bernie's plans to reign in the evil corporations? Whats his plan to keep them from leaving if they can't make the profits they want to make? Do you think he might have to arm the noble proletariat like Lenin did? Maybe urge them to strike?

You say, think "New Deal", the new deal didn't work. What worked was a world war came along and nobody wanted to be speaking Japanese and German for the rest of their lives so they got off their asses and went to work(and yes, there was also money to be made). So can I sum this up by saying the basic difference between Marxist-Leninist socialism and democratic socialism is, the Marxist-Leninist socialists will say "put these draconian measures into practice immediately or we will put your bourgeois capitalist pig executives and their families(including the dog) in front of a firing squad, and send your imperialist running dog managers to re-education camps", and Comrade Bernie saying, "put these draconian measures into practice immediately, because this is the will of the people! Er... SOME of the people. Yeah, mostly young empty headed liberal college snot-noses with no idea how real world economics works, but the will of the people, nonetheless! Hey!...where are you going?! Did the people say you could leave the country for a better business climate? Did the people say you could lay off most of your work force so you can make a profit? Come back here!!! Come back here, or so help me, I'll...I'll...(quick, somebody get on the horn to Putin and ask him what socialists can do when evil corporations disobey the will of the people!)
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they keep USING he American people as suckers and you keep defending them no mater how many times your idiot economic ideas fail.



your lies dont fly anymore fool
 
Jarod said:
Well are you?
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Let me put it in terms you might understand: If the majority of the people making decisions about who governs the country I love are idiots, then yes, I am against abiding by the will of that idiotic majority. And that is sometimes how revolutions start.
 
callinectes said:
Let me put it in terms you might understand: If the majority of the people making decisions about who governs the country I love are idiots, then yes, I am against abiding by the will of that idiotic majority. And that is sometimes how revolutions start.
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The essence of authoritarianism.
 
leaningright said:
I don't give a rip how often you call Hillary conservative...it doesn't make it so.
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It cracks me up. He is such a moron. That said, the idiots on the far left do probably think Hillary is more conservative than they are. But she is far to the left of center overall. Those on the left wing nut fringe like Garud think everyone is too conservative.
 
Jarod. Why in your view does democratic socialism make a difference in the underlying economics? It would seem the underlying goals are the same. One merely uses the tyranny of the majority the tyranny of the dictator? Explain please
 
Jarod said:
I have previously explained it to you... do you need me to do it again?

It is a ideological structure advancing a politically democratic system and a socialist economic system. It is basically the new deal. It is Democratic Socialism as opposed to simple socialism as distinguished from Marxist-Leninist socialism which does not maintain a democratic political system. It is anti-authoritarian bottom up socialism as opposed to authoritarian top down socialism.

It is basically what the rest of the world simply calls Democracy. It is the system almost all Democracies, except the United States generally adopt.
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There have been Marxist-Leninist parties that maintained a democratic political system (mostly in India). The ideologies aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Marxism-Leninism's extreme focus on action and guiding the people often precludes it though. Most democratic socialist parties were also originally Marxist, though not Leninist (Marxism is only one strain of socialism, and most Socialist parties have since dropped Marxism form their platform). The Republic of China can be considered an example of non-Marxist Leninism, as well.
 
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Jean said:
There have been Marxist-Leninist parties that maintained a democratic political system (mostly in India). The ideologies aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Marxism-Leninism extreme focus on action and guiding the people often precludes it though. Most democratic socialist parties were also originally Marxist, though not Leninist (Marxism is only one strain of socialism, and most Socialist parties have since dropped Marxism form their platform). The Republic of China can be considered an example of non-Marxist Leninism, as well.
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Shouldn't you be looking for a job fucking loser?
 
Jarod said:
The essence of authoritarianism.
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Ever hear of situational leadership? Four stages of leadership levels that should be applied to people learning new tasks depending on how much experience or familiarity those people have with that new task or situation. Google it or something then tell me how much "authoritarianism" folks are going to need to understand and buy into "democratic socialism".
 
I Love America said:
Jarod. Why in your view does democratic socialism make a difference in the underlying economics? It would seem the underlying goals are the same. One merely uses the tyranny of the majority the tyranny of the dictator? Explain please
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I'm committed to democracy.

The underlying economics are likely the same, except that if the people come to it on their own they are more likely bought into the system.

If you chose a system you are more interested in making it work and less interested in cheating it than if it was forced onto you.

Additionally, it matters because I believe in Democracy, we should only have some elements of socialism in our government, (we do) if its what the elected officials chose.
 
Jarod said:
I'm committed to democracy.

The underlying economics are likely the same, except that if the people come to it on their own they are more likely bought into the system.

If you chose a system you are more interested in making it work and less interested in cheating it than if it was forced onto you.

Additionally, it matters because I believe in Democracy, we should only have some elements of socialism in our government, (we do) if its what the elected officials chose.
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So you are saying if we voluntarily choose shitty economics which socialism is, then that is good?

So if 51% choose it the other 49% will not cheat it?

You gotta be trolling. Nobody but a child or a troll could believe such nonsense
 
I Love America said:
So you are saying if we voluntarily choose shitty economics which socialism is, then that is good?

So if 51% choose it the other 49% will not cheat it?

You gotta be trolling. Nobody but a child or a troll could believe such nonsense
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1. Not everyone agrees socialism is shitty economics.
2. What I said is that those who chose it are less likely to cheat it, so not I did not say 49% wont cheat it.

Why do you always pretend I say things I don't say... I guess so you can feel superior.
 
I do not believe in PURE socialism. I believe is best for the United States is what we have, which is a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism. I simply believe what is best for our society and culture is that the balance be adjusted a bit more toward the socialism side of the scale.
 
Jarod said:
I do not believe in PURE socialism. I believe is best for the United States is what we have, which is a balance between pure capitalism and pure socialism. I simply believe what is best for our society and culture is that the balance be adjusted a bit more toward the socialism side of the scale.
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You are childlike in your thinking.
 
I Love America said:
So you are saying if we voluntarily choose shitty economics which socialism is, then that is good?

So if 51% choose it the other 49% will not cheat it?

You gotta be trolling. Nobody but a child or a troll could believe such nonsense
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This! This is what I wanted to ask him! "Democratic socialism" is voluntary? Okay, sure. Why not? Let's see how many residents of Realityville buy into it.
 
I Love America said:
So you are saying if we voluntarily choose shitty economics which socialism is, then that is good?

So if 51% choose it the other 49% will not cheat it?

You gotta be trolling. Nobody but a child or a troll could believe such nonsense
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keep in mind when picking the country he would rather live in than the US he chose Italy which keeps electing communists........
 
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